| Wargames Den | 29 Apr 2008 3:31 a.m. PST |
Hi Guy's, Can anyone tell me if KGL light infantry regiments carried the usual Kings & regimental colours? Regards, Ron. |
| Byrhthelm | 29 Apr 2008 4:49 a.m. PST |
Not sure, but I doubt it… They wore green and were armed with rifles. Sort of militates against them carrying colours in the field. Just a thought. |
| britishlinescarlet2 | 29 Apr 2008 6:35 a.m. PST |
As far as I am aware they did not. As Byrhthelm said, They wore the green. |
| andygamer | 01 May 2008 8:46 p.m. PST |
A reenactors' site says only the Line carried flags; and it is also implied in the newest MAA Ospreys (without directly saying so). BTW, the light btns weren't entirely rifle armed; and there were a number of rifle-armed sharpshooters in the line infantry btns. |
| Wargames Den | 02 May 2008 7:13 a.m. PST |
Hi Guy's, Thank you all for your help, so it looks as though they didn't carry standards. I'm doing them in 15/18mm scale so I am now torn between which figure to use. Three that look the closest are:- 1) British Riffles,
2) British Light Infantry
3) Portuguese Cacadors Has anyone got any thought's, I'm leaning towards the Brit riffles or Cacadores at the moment. Regards, Ron
wargames-den.com |
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| Byrhthelm | 02 May 2008 9:10 a.m. PST |
BTW, the light btns weren't entirely rifle armed; and there were a number of rifle-armed sharpshooters in the line infantry btns. Maybe true, but, honestly, unless Gunfreak is going Old School, with the number of figures resprsenting a battalion, does it matter that much? |
| Florida Tory | 02 May 2008 9:51 a.m. PST |
Hathornthwaite's book, "Wellington's Army: The Uniforms of the British Soldier, 1812-1815" has the following description: "The Legion's two Light Battalions wore dark green 'rifle-style' uniform, but with certain differences. The 1st Light Battalion had single breasted jackets with black-edged wings, and wore a shako with an upright plume; the 2nd Light Battalion had jackets of rifle-corps style, with three rows of buttons on the breast and shoulder straps ending in black tufts, and shakos with cords and a ball-shaped pompom. Both had black facings." I would imagine that for wargaming in 15mm, the differences with a casting modeled on the 95th Rifles would be negligible. This book is a great find, by the way, since it is illustrated with Hamilton Smith's contemporaneous plates. Rick |
| Wargames Den | 02 May 2008 11:30 a.m. PST |
Hi Guy's, Thank you all very much for your help. Rick thanks for that description it clears up a number of conflicting pictures I have, some showing plain green jackets and some with rifleman jackets. Regards, Ron. |
| Terry37 | 02 May 2008 12:01 p.m. PST |
Ron, The KGL Light Infantry were really light infantry, and armed with muskets. However they, like KGL Line regiments had detachments also armed with rifles. There is some thought that claims they were all rifle armed by Waterloo, but I have not been able to determine that 100% yet. For gaming purposes I would have the majority of the figures musket armed and some rifle armed. Their dress was similar to that of the 95th Rifles but was also different, and uniquely different between the 1st and 2nd regiments. I asked some questions about them in an earlier thread and at the end give some info re the uniforms of the two regiments TMP link Also, here are a couple of the Knotel plates on them, and as they say – "A picture is worth a thousand words." [IMG]http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/KGLLI.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/KGLLI2.jpg[/IMG] I can scan my other plate on them if you are interested in it and then upload to for you to see. Just let me know. Terry |
| Terry37 | 02 May 2008 12:02 p.m. PST |
Well, guess it won't let me upload my pictures. Sorry. Give me an email address and I'll be happy to send them to you. Terry |
| andygamer | 02 May 2008 1:45 p.m. PST |
You don't have to type the code to do picture links (or any other link) at TMP, Terry. Just cut and paste the URL and it's done automatically:
picture picture (And thanks for the plates) |
| Byrhthelm | 03 May 2008 6:46 a.m. PST |
H'mm, nice plates – I have seen them before, though. With the possible exception of the figure on the extreme left of Plate 1, all long arms, from their length, seem to be rifles. Of course, we all know about accuracy of artists' work (hem, hem)and that the said artists are often attracted to the more picturesque aspects of uniforms and equipment. Having said that, it would seem that von Baring's 2nd KGLI at La Haye Sainte were extensivey, if not totally, armed with rifles. Damn! I wish we knew for certain. |
| Terry37 | 03 May 2008 8:46 a.m. PST |
The third Knotel plate which shows the 2nd regiment of the KGL LI, also has a musket armed soldier very prominent in the plate. Yes, it is more colorful to show the rifle armed soldiers but they were still a light infantry regiment, not a jager regiment. I have heard/read that the reason Baring ran out of ammunition at LHS was because they had rifles and the only thing available was musket balls. I have trouble with this as there were men from other units also involved in the defense of LHS and they were musket armed. My personal opinion at this time is that there was a mix of both musket and rifles in the KGL LI even at Waterloo and the reason they ran out of ammo is that the runners requesting it never got through and no one in a position to be able to help them realized they needed resupply. I cannot support his with documented fact, but from all I've read that seems the most possible. Sadly, we will probably never know. So, what does this mean – for me I am doing my regiments of the KGL LI as musket armed with a few rifles thrown in for fun. Terry |
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