"TMP Copyright and IP infringement – Formal Notice" Topic

And by the way, I have not blocked all of the Czech Republic from accessing TMP.

Jeezo!! Scientologists! in Worcestershire, now who would have thought?

Bill I think you should unblock this guy. I love reading this sort of silliness.

Yes, let's have him back. It's fun.

For us.

The Editor, The Root Beer Logo and the Blue Fez logo Copyright © 2008 Rebel Minis All Rights Reserved :)

And TMP gets it's first internet crank, who doesn't understand copyright law!

It has certainly had plenty of each, is this really the first "combo". Do we need "cranks by category" on the stats page?

Wow, a really long post. What did I miss?

C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker! </meme>

By the way, what bloody 'SNIP' markers would it have been referring to? I don't think that I've ever seen such a thing on TMP.

Is there any way these banned comedy turns could be allowed into a corralled part of TMP just for our amusement. We could view them from a balcony and occasionally toss chunks of provocation down to them.

dhamnz, and to a similar extent, bloop. lol.

I've seen things "snipped" before. It's real.

Forgive me for posting a link to a CA topic (purely for the purposes of demonstrating the 'snip', ignore what they're talking about if you like, I did), but here you go, Skeptic:

TMP link

There's quite a few of the things on this page. Just scroll down.

I'll try again.

"…probably also illegal." "…possibly illegally, on this site."

Are you sure?
I'm probably worried and possibly scared. Yeah right!

TMP really needs the equivalent of a Speaker's Corner to servs as a safety valve for some folks.

Total Containment. Sure, no-one reads it, but does anyone really listen to the people in Speaker's Corner?

Or there's Frothers, I suppose. :)

Not many people can maintain a tantrum via this long. THough I suspect that he may be the hot new talent for the nigerian scam industry as he spells and can sound plausible from phrase to phrase until you try to make sense of what he is trying to communicate.

Enough! The only way to settle an issue of such weight and gravitas is a duel.

Void Trekker versus Hwiccee for the all-TMP internet tradedmark copyright tinfoil crown. Poison pens at 10 paces with the OFM and Aecurtis acting as seconds to dispatch their protagonist should they flinch with the Editor as arbiter.

Thanks for the examples of 'snips'!

I kinda like the Barmy Corral idea… Let's call it "Worcestershire Corner". =P

BLOOP!

after all of this I need a nap

Hmmm….wonder how all of this is going down at "That other site?"….eh..
*shrug*

Now if Alex would show us some pics of chicks wrestling in Vanilla Pudding….

Isn't Mr. Dorrell associated with the Polemos 18th century ruleset? If I recall, he often chimed in on the 18th Century Board recommending these rules. Perhaps his imagined IP claim has to do with this relationship to the rules.

Or perhaps he has decided to alienate everyone on TMP for no reason at all.

Sine virtual popcorn has been trademarked, I am trademarking IMAGINARY Popcorn….

Plynkes

---Ooh, another TMP right old brouhaha! These can be fun for the spectator sometimes.---

The Great IP War of 2008!

Cheers,

Pro…

Plynkes

---It's baffling as to why he's suddenly gone absolutely barmy in this way.---

A soggy brain from all that rain in England?

Cheers,

Pro…

Oh man.

I really don´t think we need to start a Bill defense fund yet.

See, what we need is an exception to the dawghouse rules of no personal attacks… meaning we can freely flame this guy and chaps like him. Of course, it seems to be relaxed in this situation, if this thread is any indication.

As for myself, at first I was angered by the initial post. Now, in part thanks to everyone else's participation, I'm just highly amused. How do you say "laughingstock" in Czech?

Oh, and I declare IP on virtual M&M's in the big movie theatre box, my preferred virtual munchie. Munch, munch.

Can I declare no intellect or property after grading 6th grade math tests tonight?

I would also like to say that this is the first time I have appeared on TV…

If I had to guess I would say the copyright thingy applies to some links to a painting service web site and some photos of a games convention.

Shame as looking at a few posts on subject I am interested in too (18th-19th Century) Hwiccee seems fairly normal decent guy who is enthusiastic about his hobby.

Perhaps this is just someone else taking the ?

I know Hwiccee for a few years and I must say that he is the most confidential and trustworthy member of our Prague wargaming group. He never failed us and he never claimed anything which didnt belongs to him.

I also had one experience with mr Armintrout. Two years ago we had a Prague wargaming yahoo discussion group and I post there that I bought a new domain for our club. Mr Armintrout was a member of our discussion group and he tooks my post from there and repost it on TMP on my name! I dont think that this is fair.

I trust to Hwiccee and I now that I will be propably banned for this post. I wasnt a member of TMP before, but when I saw whats happening to Hwiccee I registered and post my opinion.

Petr Starosta
Prague Wargamers

Petr, do me a favour? Next time yo see Hwiccee could you tell him he is making himself look like an Idiot? Just nicely? His rights and wrongs aside, he is making himself look like an idiot. If you are his friend he may listen to you and limit his controversy with Mr Armintrout to personal emails or posts on other sites rather than ludicrous posts on here for everyone to laugh at.

Pat

Two years ago we had a Prague wargaming yahoo discussion group and I post there that I bought a new domain for our club. Mr Armintrout was a member of our discussion group and he tooks my post from there and repost it on TMP on my name!

Most wargaming clubs would be delighted to have more publicity about their new website. But if you had a problem with TMP relaying your announcement, did you file a complaint? I would have removed your name if you had asked me.

The Editor: Yes, of course. Most wargaming clubs would be delighted to have more publicity about their new website. But in this case we dindt have any website. We just bought a domain and it was a blank page! I recieved a lot of messages that asked me me why I am posting here a blank page. And as I said before – I post it on our private club forum and nobody asked me if he can publuish it on TMP.

Sane Max: I will ask Hwiccee whats going on and why he is so angry about copyright.

Justin Taylor of VVV: Let me know before you come to Prague. We can show you the Prague and good pubs :-)

What was the URL again? If I remember correctly, what was newsworthy was the fact that a club was registering a domain name that was very generic.

Prague and good pubs :-)

That's what TMP is all about!

Editor: the url was wargaming.eu.

Streetline: ;-) we also have a very cheap and good beer….

Most wargaming clubs would be delighted to have more publicity about their new website. But if you had a problem with TMP relaying your announcement, did you file a complaint? I would have removed your name if you had asked me.

But not if you were intending to produce some minis??

;)

"I also had one experience with mr Armintrout. Two years ago we had a Prague wargaming yahoo discussion group and I post there that I bought a new domain for our club. Mr Armintrout was a member of our discussion group and he tooks my post from there and repost it on TMP on my name! I dont think that this is fair."

So he reported it as a NEWS item that you had a new domain name and attributed the the announcement to you (most likely, given the nature of this page) or he impersonated and and announced your new domain on TMP (very unlikey).

I've always liked most Eastern Europe beers I've tried….

HE HE HE!- sorry, but that was so NOT a 'formal notice'.
Petr- like Sane Max said.

"we also have a very cheap and good beer"

I'll second that- and it's good stuff.
How's the 'Jazz' bar over in the old town? Sunk a few sherberts in that place.

Steve.

Ha! 142 posts – I win!

Oh. oops.

Can that particular news item still be found on the TMP hobby news section, so that we could check for ourselves what was actually posted?

Griefbringer

It might be, but you can't search news items, darnit!

At least they are sorted by date, so knowing the proper date to look for would help.

Griefbringer

Summary: Posted on behalf of Hwiccee/Orbit1966

Sorry I was and am really tired when I write and make these posts hopefully here is a clear outline of events. I have tried to stick to the facts and avoid opinions. I have made other posts dealing with other details. But I apologize if tiredness has led to mistakes.

Mr Armintrout has admitted taking material, both here and in private messages, that is copyrighted or protected by intellectual property rights and posting it to TMP without obtaining permission.

Taking other peoples copyrighted/Intellectual Property is against the law and is a form of theft/stealing.

I could take this to the law, and certainly will do if no other solution can be found, but I would prefer not to as I could do without the trouble.

When this material was posted onto TMP I told Mr Armintrout about it and asked him to remove it. He has refused to do this.

To be completely clear here I am talking about material written by myself and posted here by others, NOT material I have posted here.

Initially I only wanted Mr Armintrout to remove this material. He has refused to do this for more than 2 years now. Unless Because of this I think that it is appropriate that Mr Armintrout suffers some kind of ‘punishment'.

This ‘punishment' could via the law but as already mentioned I would prefer not to as this would be a real hassle and would involve other people. So I thought that I should ask for some kind of action that would make the point that this behavior is not acceptable and hopefully deter Mr Armintrout from doing this again.

So I decided to ask Mr Armintrout to delete all my posts, material written by me and posted by me, as a sign of my disapproval and to deter him from doing it again. As I understand it the question of whether material posted by myself is still copyright/my intellectual property is debatable and as far as I am concerned best left to lawyers. I am not saying that Mr Armintrout has or has not got a legal duty to remove this material. I am just asking him to do this as a kind of ‘punishment'

Can you think of some other suitable way to make Mr Armintrout understand that he can not take any material he likes and put it on TMP? If you can I would be happy to accept any solution that would stop Mr Armintrout's activities.

My Name Changes/Banning: Posted on behalf of Hwiccee/Orbit1966

Some people have commented on my name change and I am sorry if this is confusing. This is part of Mr. Armintrout's strategy, see another post, to try to stop me replying here and also to make me look unreliable or worse. In fact the reason for doing this is that Mr Armintrout is locking any account I use to talk here.

I can only presume that he has some guilty secret he wishes to hide?

He is locking my accounts, rather than doing something else, because this does not show up to anyone expect the user and presumably Mr Armintrout.

If you are reading this a short time after I post it to the forum you can check this yourself (Mr Armintrout may change it when he reads it). You can log into the Orbit1966 account, which is now locked, and see that you can no longer post replies or messages to the forum.

To do this you need to sign out and sign in as Orbit1966.

The User Name is Orbit1966 and the password Scalpel2Y34

You will see on the profile or if you try to post that it is locked.

I also apologize in advance to people in the New York area. I will be posting from there next and Mr Armintrout puts ‘blanket' log in bans in areas I make posts from. So I am sorry if this happens to you.

Giving Details/An Example: Posted on behalf of Hwiccee/Orbit1966

I have not been giving details of the pages in question, etc, for a number of reasons.

First of all one of the purposes of this is to remove material that should not be on TMP, not to secure 100's of hits for it. The especially true as some of it also involves other people who may not want to be banned, ridiculed, etc, as I am being.

The second reason is because this might end up in a court of law and as I am not a lawyer I do not know if this would mess up any future case – no I am not asking for opinions here. This forum is in any case not a good place to sort this out but it was not my choice to bring it here.

Thirdly Mr Armintrout knows all the details as I have sent them to him in the past and I have records of my messages and his replies. It was Mr Armintrout's decision to make this a public matter so he should be providing details. I would have to post up personal messages from Mr Armintrout to myself and to do that I would need Mr Armintrout's permission, which I don't have.

Having said the above a friend of mine has now come forward with an example involving himself – see the posts by Petr Starosta. As he has mentioned this I feel free to discuss this example of how Mr Armintrout works.

Here is the news item TMP link in question, also read the comments on this.

As you will see Mr Armintrout took some ones comments from a closed yahoo group without there permission and posted them to TMP in there name. In addition he also took photographs from this closed, and protected by a copyright notice, yahoo group.

None of this directly effected me but at the same time as this I also I searched and found that Mr Armintrout had not removed similar material directly effecting me and indeed had actually added more! At this time I talked to him in private about the TMP post above and the other examples.

Mr Armintrout claims that he has no knowledge of this and presumable of the conversation at TMP link

Is he claiming that ‘the Editor' is someone else?

Reactions to this: Posted on behalf of Hwiccee/Orbit1966

First of all I would like to thank those of you who have supported me. Both off forum and those brave enough to do this on forum. I hope that this has not led to your account being locked or a blanket ban on logging in where you live.

For those of you who have criticized what I have said in this, fair enough I have made a lot of mistakes when writing. But I would point out that this is because I do not have time to take more care as I am extremely busy and have very limited time for this. I am working many hours at the moment and also traveling a lot so I am afraid I am going to make mistakes as I can hardly keep my eyes open.

Mr Armintrout knows this, I foolishly told him this in a message to him, and he is trying to use this.

I have written a hopefully clear summary which I will post.

For those of you who think that this is funny I would point out that Mr Armintrout has broken the law, and admitted doing so. He has stolen from me and also others by infringing on our copyright and other rights. I enjoy a laugh as much as anyone else but this is perhaps not a laughing matter. But maybe you feel it is?

So I suggest that if you feel that theft is a laughing matter then next time you post please include log in details, password, etc, of your bank account, paypal account or any other online financial facility. Obviously as you feel that theft is not a problem you won't mind me and others taking from you!

I would also point out that Mr Armintrout decided to bring this to TMP and not me. So if you have any complaints about it being here I suggest that you address them to him. But be warned he will probably just ban you!

Finally if you check my profile on TMP you will find that I have been a member since 2003. I was in fact a member earlier but I lost my details/e-mail in a PC crash. You will see that I have made over 500 posts and I have 1 stifle. The stifle is possibly from myself as I accidentally clicked on it. But even if it is a ‘real' stifle this I think is clear proof that I am not some ‘crazy guy' or whatever. If I was some ‘crazy guy' I would guess that in 4 to 5 years of being active on TMP I would have got a lot more than 1 stifle.

Strategy: Posted on behalf of Hwiccee/Orbit1966

Mr Armintrout is using a strategy to try to appear to be reasonable when in fact he is doing his best not to be. So I would ask you consider the following and also remember that Mr Armintrout has all the aces here.

He is trying to appear reasonable by posing what seem like reasonable questions to me but then locking me out of the forum so I can not answer. Or if I do answer I have to answer using a different account which helps make me look stupid, etc.

If you are quick you can check this if you are reading this a short time after I post it to the forum. Mr Armintrout may change it when he reads it and so I am not sure how long this will work. You can log into the Orbit1966 account, which is now locked, and see that you can no longer post replies or messages to the forum.

To do this you need to sign out and sign in as Orbit1966.

The User Name is Orbit1966 and the password Scalpel2Y34

If he seriously wanted me to answer these questions he would not lock me out. This is just a ploy by him.

Similarly he claims that I have not contacted him about this matter and that he does not know about it. I have his messages concerning this and also there are other exchanges online now. But I would suggest that you look here, TMP link, for proof that he does know about this and has just chosen not to act on the information he has received.

I would also point that that in connection with this in recent posts he did not deny that he had taken this material without consent. Although he seems to have ‘forgotten' to mention that this also infringed copyright.

In effect he is trying to pretend that he has not received any information about this. This is another ploy and presumably intended to ‘defend' hs actions.

He is trying to use ridicule to cloud the issue and presumably avoid responsibility for his actions. Some, at least of the posts, on the various discussions have been made by ‘accounts' which are either close friends of Mr Armintrout or indeed possibly are him. I do not know if this is true but certainly I am told that this is the case by others. Whether it is or not does not really matter as clearly Mr Armintrout approves and is supporting these posts, as show by the lack of disapproval or action against posts that breach the forum rules.

It is a good strategy but I would point out that its main purpose is to fool and deceive you, the reader. So please don't be fooled by this.

So let me get this straight. You Hwiccee/Orbitnnnn or whatever your name is are objecting to the fact that Bill posted a newsworthy item (the acquisition of the wargaming.eu domain) that YOU DID NOT WRITE and is therefore NOT YOUR COPYRIGHT (neither the text nor the pictures).

So YOU are threatening to take Bill to court over an infringement of SOMEONE ELSE'S copyright? Huh?

Why did Petr and Mark not object themselves?