"Recent Departures: Hwiccee" Topic

It's not a simple tale, but I think it boils down to:

* Hwiccee didn't agree with his recent Dawghousing
* He says he wants to leave TMP
* I've caught him creating multiple memberships – such as TMPcomplaints, W Arminfish, Der Alte Fart, Caligula – about 20 in all this weekend. I'm not sure what he's up to, but it doesn't look well-intentioned.

Consequently, I've Locked his accounts, and temporarily blocked a particular range of IP addresses (which, unfortunately, may affect others – though I'm watching the logs to monitor this).

So the response to the perceived injustice is to act like a complete jerk?
Leaving TMP is simplicity itself, you just stop clicking on the bookmark and very soon everyone forgets about you.

Wow! All over the Szabo book thread.

I never fail to be impressed by some people's ability to work themselves up into a state of near apoplexy about things that most 'normal' folk wouldn't give a rat's ass about

hey ho, that speaks volumes for the human condition I suppose

Agreed guys. Amazing. And not even on CA!

Not even on the Napoleonics Discussion Board, but the 18th Century Discussion Board!

I just tracked it down and read it, it was quite entertaining.

Yeah, that's a hoot! And they're always lording it over the nappy-wearers about how much more civilised they are.

Busted!

Did he threaten to sue you, Bill? :)

so no pie for him, either?

I guess I don't 'get it'…

I guess on a 'miniatures page' about ANYTHING can somehow become a 'CA-ish rant'/item of contention…but while I can understand 'how'…(after spending enough hours in the LOUNGE, a bartentacle 'learns' a few things…), but the WHY escapes me.

I've 'met' so many jolly chaps and chappettes? here on TMP and just TODAY, found out about some NEW minis I ordered just MINUTES after the news posted, (that I don't know how I would have known about otherwise?)…and another batch that are 'in the works'.

I can get almost any possible miniature-related, (and more than a few TOTALLY un-related) question(s) answered here with more references and links and help than wiki, google or web MD!!!

So WHY in the name of the great FEZ, would someone DELIBERTLY want to be 'shunned'/disavow themselves…over something possibly so 'trivial' as what the recent 'bit' was???

IF it was a matter of honor/faith/basic principles…I can see taking a 'stand'…but this is supposed to be a 'fun place'…a refuge…'Bill's house' where we come in to 'play' and kibbitz and maybe even 'tease' each other a bit….

But with 'affection' and consideration for the fact we're all just trying to get along in increasingly 'difficult' times for many of us.

Health, finances, job changes, relationships ending/starting, all the 'stuff of life'…(and sometimes, death)…and we come 'here' to share it and find some comfort…some meaning? or at least 'support'.

I'm not into 'Nappys'…be they miniatures or 'diapers'…(at least not the wearable kind…YET!!!)…but I'm glad that there is a place for those who are to talk about it, the same as pulp, horror or even 'toy' gaming/RPG's.

Why? because some of the same folks KNOW things, places, information that someone, sometime, somewhere will NEED to know…no matter how 'obtuse' or off the wall it might sound at other times. (been there, done that!)

I've said it before and I'll say it again…and I'm not kissing any 'buttons'…(unless it's my wife's!! 8-)

I feel sorry for those who get themselves 'banned' or ask to be banned, etc…when they could just NOT log in or participate…IF they feel that strongly about it.

But I'd sooner give up three of my favorite DISH channels…(other than BBC America with Torchwood and Dr. Who)…than give up TMP. Just too darn useful to live without!

Forget the Wall Street thingie….TMP has more info/links/comments about more things than anything else I've seen. In fact, I usually only go 'googling' or news etc…AFTER TMP…because otherwise I might not even know there WAS some things going on! (now THAT's a sorry statement about the 'media' when TMP is more 'reliable' than MAJOR 'networks'!!!8-)

pish-posh, another tempest in a teapot and I need another slice of warm blueberry pie!
Care for a slice???

*slish…slish*

Yeah, that's a hoot! And they're always lording it over the nappy-wearers about how much more civilised they are.

Busted!

Well we are! We drummed the blighter out!

BTW, my first thought was "Who?"

Did he threaten to sue you, Bill? :)

His message did mention "legal action" – seems to feel that his posts are "intellectual property" and that I must remove all of them…

LOL… intellectual property… yeah right… first one would have to have the "intellectual" part.

So let me get this right- in that one thread he was basically arguing with himself by taking on different persona's? And which persona won the argument?

:P

He was clearly out of his element in the discussion and chose to either deliberately misconstrue comments made as insulting or was just wrapped too tight. He then resorted to the last refuge of the desperate, name-calling. It was all rather surreal. All this over Freddy the Great, who would have thought?

I didn't think it was all that entertaining for a cat fight. I always find it amusing that on one of the most docile forums on the internet people get their panties in such a wad over minutia.

The real comical part is the peanut gallery trying fan the very small flames of discontent at the first sign of perceived conflict.

Posted on behalf of Hwiccee

I am still here and I will continue to be, even if only via friends and similar victims of TMP¡¦s high handed & arrogant policies.

I have tried for more than 2 years to get Mr. Armintrout to act on this matter but I choose to do so in a gentlemanly and private manner. Unfortunately Mr Armintrout has proved many times over the years that he is no gentleman and in addition he has chosen to now take this public, so be it.

For the record

It's not a simple tale, but I think it boils down to:

I would agree that it is a simply story but unfortunately not as suggested.

As Mr Armintrout knows but seems to ¡¥forget¡¦ from time to time the reason for the dispute is that my intellectual property and copyrighted material has been taken and used on the TMP site without my permission. I have been seeking, in private, for more than 2 years to have this material removed from the TMP site. This dispute has come to a head in recent days and is the reason for Hwiccee being banned from this site.

In brief what has happened is that in late 2005 I discovered that some material which is intellectual property and copyrighted had been taken without my knowledge or consent and put onto TMP. So I contacted the editor to ask about this, incidentally I have kept all correspondence about this matter. Mr. Armintrout assured me that it was a mistake and that he would remove my material that had been taken. Some of the language he used was strange but at this point I was happy to believe what Mr. Armintrout had said and assumed that he was being truthful. This material is still on TMP today.

In mid 2006 for the second time that I know of I discovered that yet more of my intellectual property and copyrighted material had been taken without my permission or knowledge and posted to TMP. This time there was a twist. On the first occasion my material was posted by ¡¥the Editor¡¦ but on this occasion the material was posted under the name of a colleague involved in working on my material. Unfortunately my colleague was not a member of TMP at this time, did not post this message and in short had nothing to do with it. Now of course I do not know who posted this message but I do know that the person who posted it has the same IP address as ¡¥the Editor¡¦!

But this is not really important as whoever posted it I wanted it removed and contacted Mr. Armintrout about doing so. I also incidentally thought to check if the previous item had been removed at this point & it had not. I asked once again for the new & old material to be removed. To cut a long story short this was just the 2nd of 5 incidents when my intellectual property and/or copyrighted material has been taken and used on the TMP site without my permission or knowledge.

I have repeatedly tried to get Mr. Armintrout to do something about this but have frankly been treated with contempt. Mr. Armintrout¡¦s attitude appears to be that laws and ethics do not apply to him. He has consistently been rude, arrogant, etc ¡V not of course that this is a crime. On the occasion prior to this one, in 2007, I informed Mr. Armintrout that after 2 years of trying to sort this out I had had enough. I told him at this time that on the next occasion I would no longer accept his excuses and abusive behaviour.

I first of all asked him if it was possible for me to remove the material. Partly because I recognize that this will involve some considerable work. But also because given Mr. Armintrout¡¦s record of being ¡¥less than truthfully¡¦ this is the best way to ensure it is actually done.

Mr Armintrout stated that this could not be done, which I accepted. I therefore asked for him to do it. To which he replied, probably less than truthfully, that this was also not possible.

At this point I informed Mr. Armintrout, in private, formally of my wish to have all reference and material connected with me removed from the site, see a separate message which is essentially what I asked for. I explained that as far as I was concerned he and his site were beyond the pale and I wanted in no way to endorse his activities by my presence on TMP. I also suggested ways that this could be done.

It seems that asking for this and your legal and ethical rights is banned on TMP! Not that I had any immediate plans to do so on the site before Mr. Armintrout brought this to a public forum. At this point Mr. Armintrout banned ¡¥Hwiccee¡¦ from the forum, presumably in an attempt to avoid the consequences of his actions.

I could speculate further on the reason for this but for now I will not.

It does raise the question of what Mr. Armintrout has to find?

* He says he wants to leave TMP

Yes it is true that I wish to leave but I will not do so until Mr. Armintrout has removed my intellectual property, copyrighted material, etc.

* I've caught him creating multiple memberships ¡V such as TMPcomplaints, W Arminfish, Der Alte Fart, Caligula ¡V about 20 in all this weekend. I'm not sure what he's up to, but it doesn't look well-intentioned.

I think that we leave this for now as it may still be necessary to use this idea.

Also on this I am part of a group of ¡¥victims¡¦ of the unethical and probably illegal activities undertaken by TMP. The TMPComplaints identity above was set up on behalf of this group. We intend to set up a webpage, forum or something to allow discussion of problems with TMP, as the despotic attitude of TMP does not allow this. In addition some members of the TMP complaint group, who have suffered more severely than I, are looking at the possibility of legal action.

I will post more details on this later (but from another identity as most likely this one will be banned). Meanwhile the group can be contacted at tmpcomplaints@yahoo.com if you would like your complaints, etc, included on the site ¡V this can be anonymously.

Consequently, I've Locked his accounts, and temporarily blocked a particular range of IP addresses (which, unfortunately, may affect others ¡V though I'm watching the logs to monitor this).

I see that Mr Armintrout has blocked the entire country that I made my previous posts from and put a nice notice telling the people effected that they are blocked. Just one question, how are they going to read this when you have blocked them?

I would point out, as I did to Mr. Armintrout prior to him banning ¡¥Hwiccee¡¦, that I could have posted on this or abusive message or whatever at any time during the last 2 years but did not. This includes while the ban was enforce but before Mr. Armintrout went public. I had, have and will continue to have the ability to post to TMP if only via friends, TMP complaints colleagues and sympathizers.

I did not use this option because I choose not to and I could now, if I wished, flood TMP with posts but I choose not to.

I have tried to be reasonable about all this and despite Mr Armintrout¡¦s less than pleasant attitude. His answer to this has been similar to his high handed reaction to my messages generally. So I would guess that there is a good chance that this account will also be blocked and the country it is made from banned from connecting to TMP. I apologize for this in advance but I hope it is clear that this is solely Mr Armintrout¡¦s over the top reaction to any kind of problem.

Did he threaten to sue you, Bill? :)

I have not, although Mr Armintrout¡¦s behavior is slowly leaving no other choice, but I retain the right to do so in the future. The main reason for this is that I simply do not trust TMP not to continue to take my intellectual property, etc, in the future.

I do not intend to prosecute TMP/Mr. Armintrout at this time (although this might change as Mr Armintrout continues his personal attacks on myself). But should TMP take more material from me in the future I will then prosecute. Not just for future cases but also for all 5 counts so far and any additional ones I find so far. I am fairly sure that there are more cases that I have not yet found or have not been brought to my attention.

In effect I am hoping that this will deter TMP from continuing their unethical and probably illegal activities. But if my colleagues do decide to file some kind of group action then I would be morally obliged to join them.

Finally thank you for taking the time to read all of this, which is probably more than Mr. Armintrout usually does ļ It is likely that Mr. Armintrout will ban this account and also as we are possibly talking about legal matters so I will not (or will not be able to answer questions). But I would like to ask for your help

Good grief.

Out of interest, what is this mysterious material that has been posted on TMP? Anyone have a link or is it so secret that anyone reading it will be torn apart by demons?

Ooh, another TMP right old brouhaha! These can be fun for the spectator sometimes.

And at first glance, it would seem this one has nothing at all to do with Frothers, which makes a change.

No specific references to any "real" IP property (redundant?), eh? Is he blithering on about real stuff he's designed and produced? Or is he just whining about comments in posts on Bill's website?

…then again, who cares?

…..and I was so trying to cut down on the popcorn this month <sigh> oh well "CRY HAVOC"

I'm setting up a popcorn concession.

And by that I mean I'm selling popcorn, not giving into popcorn's demands.

I want to read some of this special material as well. It must be grand.

Color me confused … I'm with Plynkes, how the heck did Frothers manage to stay out of this one *cackle*

I too, wonder what the mysterious "copyrighted" material is. A link to another web site? He can't possibly think that a post on someone elses website is still the "intellectual" property of the poster. Did someone scan published (and PROPERLY registered and copyrighted) material and post it on TMP?

The rant and vague threats of legal action are probably 100% bluster (with a healthy dose of ignorance of the law thrown in) unless this guy is independantly wealthy and willing to throw away thousands (possibly tens of thousands) of dollars on a nuisance suit.

In effect I am hoping that this will deter TMP from continuing their unethical and probably illegal activities

By the by, while you and your "group" are researching your legal options you should look up the terms libel and defamation of character while your at it

Dave

???

Did someone forget their lithium ?

This explains the other thread on this topic. I think. I'm having a lot of problems working out WHY? TMP is a forum and does reviews and suchlike. Any use of copyright material would generally seem to come under the heading 'fair usage', only thing I can think about is that this multiple personality didn't like what was said about his products (?). If so, sorry, you can get bad reviews. You live with them.

This is over a bad review ?!?? I guess the thousands of critics and reviewers in this country (USA) need to hang up their word processors and file for unemployment if thats the case.

Someone needs to rearrange the following well know phrase or saying:

"LIFE A GET"

Now. Where's that popcorn?

Alas, kiddies, this one is a home grown nut-job…

I know having Frothers around helps to define you all, but really…not every evil you perceive can be placed at that particular door. This would be a classic of example of the fact that TMP breeds its very own brand of lunatics.

(In fact, now I come to think of it, most of the utterly repellent folks I have come across in the gaming world have ALL been TMPers…such as the delightful BME… a consiquence of having some many people under this ..er..big tent perhaps).

And, boy oh boy, this one is a doozy!

You do realise Marquis, that while TMP breeds nut-jobs, they usually end up at Frothers sooner or later…

enjoy this one ;-)

Typical colonial attitude…export your nut-jobs for the rest of the world to deal with…tsk, tsk, tsk.

Or make them President…

Now of course I do not know who posted this message but I do know that the person who posted it has the same IP address as ¡¥the Editor¡¦!

Your technical skills are so great that you can detect the IP address of someone posting on another website? That's truly amazing.

It does raise the question of what Mr. Armintrout has to find?

Well, apparently, I need to find this "copyrighted material" that you never specifically identify. I have no recollection of any previous discussions with you on this matter. (I'm not saying they didn't happen, they apparently were just not memorable…)

Ah, now it makes sense. This is wonderfully dumb.

Orbit, you gave away your identity when you started replying in first person rather than third person.

"I have repeatedly tried to get Mr. Armintrout to do something about this but have frankly been treated with contempt. "

And rightly so. Consider yourself being treated with a HUGE dose of it from practically everybody here.

Gosh, yes. Had to order another three car-loads of
contempt just a while ago…

It *does* seem that some folks have very little to occupy
their time…

Justin, if you send me your account details I'll be happy to make the payment…

This Hwicee/Orbit/the rest of the multiple personalities guy seems to me a troll.

It's curious that Szabo thread had get me two stifles… though I wasn't aware until yesterday I checked my post status and saw I had two more I remembered (3). Still I am wondering why I deserved them, but, alas! not overtly worried about it.

It's obvious that several of Hwhiccceeeebazingglavine's (sic) personalities took umbrage to your comments, basileau. 8)=

I'm confused about the content of his message?

Does this have something to so with his "intellectual property and copyrighted material"? I mean…if someone took my intellectual property and copyrighted material I would roll up some intellectual property and copyrighted material and smack them in the head with it. I am sure the story would show up in the intellectual property and copyrighted material on my doorstep the next morning.

This guy is bonkers… No opinion can ever be taken as IP.

So stuff him and stoppaying attention to the poor sucker. That will goaway.

P.S.: Ah, Marquis, your attempts at sarcasm and underhanded blows are still green. But I must accept some other guy mentioned Frothers and their "crusading" against banning and freedom of speech and such, on of all places… just TMP.

So let's mutually ignore our existance and not make this another boring thread begat buy a troll who, wonder of wonders, crept in the 18th. Century board and not on CA or the Nappy ones.

"buy a troll"

Sure, how much? :-)

(And yes, I know that English is probably not Javier's first language. But it was funny, even if he didn't intend it so. And anyway surely we should be helping our friends learn idiomatic English?)

Javier, I have no idea what you are on about, but agree that we can simply ignore one another.

Well done, that man. :)

I can't remember what I read on here yesterday let alone two years ago. Give it up because know one really cares. -TJ

I'm always amused by these half-wits (& there have been quite a few) who fulminate about our dear editor's "unfairness"….yet he still lets them post their farewell diatribes.
I'd have 'nuked' the Orbit 1966 post if I'd a been Bill.
donald

@Marquis: Say wot? I cannae read ya'! I cannae read ya'! Well I actually can, but I choose not to! Nyah, nyah, nyah!

And yes, I typoed meself silly, didn't I, Mike? =P

"And yes, I typoed meself silly, didn't I, Mike? =P"

Not at all. You have a very good Scottish accent!

"I'm leaving the internet 4 evah!!!111"

"JUST LEAVE ALREADY!"

Orbit: When your friend posted to the forum, he gave implicit consent for Bill to host, copy, and display the content on this site for ever and ever.

No newspaper will go back and remove your "letter to the editor" from their archives if you request it, and neither will an online forum. You can stomp your feet all you want, it just makes you look like an idiot. Any judge in this nation or the world will laugh you out of court.

Orbit/Hwiccee, you're making yourself look like an idiot. Just get over it and leave.

My favorite part of this boils down to where this guy asks Bill to remove some material.

Mr Armintrout stated that this could not be done, which I accepted. I therefore asked for him to do it.

Oh yeah, that sounds "reasonable". 8^D