| Carlos Marighela 2 | 15 Dec 2007 6:59 a.m. PST |
Does anyone have a reasonably detailed orbat for the Spanish/ Argentine forces during the 1806 and 1807 British Invasions? |
| 15th Hussar | 15 Dec 2007 12:25 p.m. PST |
Sigh…Yeah, I do….but give me until after the 1st of the year'ish to get to them. If you can't wait, please let me know so I don't go crazy looking. |
| baxterj | 15 Dec 2007 1:35 p.m. PST |
Have a look at Ian Fletchers new book :
The Waters of Oblivion: The British Invasion of the Rio De La Plata, 1806-1807 It has the OBs at the back for both sides John |
| Florida Tory | 15 Dec 2007 2:31 p.m. PST |
Here are the Spanish troops in the Provincias del Rio de la Plata, as of 1815. Tropas Veteranas:
Regimento de Infanteria Buenos-Ayres
Reg'o de Dragones de Buenos-Ayres
Cuerpo de Blandengues de la Frontera de Buenos-Ayres
Cuerpo de Blandengues de la Frontera de Montevideo The first two were raised in 1772, and the latter two were raised in 1752. Milicias de Infanteria:
Batallon de Voluntarios de Buenos-Ayres
Bat'n de Vol. de Montevideo
Companias de Granaderos de Pardos Y Morenos Libres Milicias de Caballeria:
Reg'o de Vol. de Buenos-Ayres
Reg'o de Vol. de Montevideo
Reg'o de Vol. de la Frontera de Buenos-Ayres
Reg'o de Vol. de la Colonia
Reg'o de Vol. de Maldonado
Reg'o de Corrientes
Primer Reg'o de Vol. del Paraguay
Degundo Reg'o de Vol. del Paraguay
Reg'o de Vol. de Cordoba
Reg'o de Vol. de la Ciudad de Salta
Reg'o de Vol. de San Luis
Reg'o de Tucuman
Reg'o de Santiago del Estero
Escuadron del Yi
Escuadron de la Frontera de Cerro Largo Milcias Urbanas Provinciales de Infanteria:
Bat'n de Santa Cruz de la Sierra
Bat'n del Potosi
Bat'n de la Paz
Cuerpo del Gremio de Azogueros de la Villa del Potosi Milicias Urbanas Provinciales de Caballeria:
Reg'o de Cochavamba
Reg'o de Tarifa
Reg'o de Zinti These are from Lahoz & Gonzalez, "Los Uniformes del Estado Militar de Espana del Ano 1815", which I highly recommend for their listings of Spanish colonial forces in North & South America and the Philippines. I have used it to discover the garrison of East and West Florida. Rick |
| Carlos Marighela 2 | 15 Dec 2007 4:42 p.m. PST |
Wow! Thanks chaps! I'll look out for the Fletcher book. I was in BA in August and it stirred a desire to game this. The military museum there has a number of artifacts and a couple of good dioramas. Andrew, fret not I can wait. Tony, thank you very much. Can I possibly push it a little further? Does 'Los Uniformes del Estado Militar de Espana del Ano 1815' have a listing of troops avaialble in 1760? I have another project whic is to game the Colonia do Sacramento Campaign and information on the troops on both sides is very scarce. |
| hos459 | 15 Dec 2007 6:48 p.m. PST |
Carlos if you have access to Magweb there are multiple articles there with orbats and other info, and further reading references for the areas your lookimng for. Daryl |
| Florida Tory | 15 Dec 2007 7:40 p.m. PST |
Alas, no. The only dates for the troops in the Provincias del Rio de la Plata given are the ones I cited. However, comparison to the other listing for colonies where there are dates given does indicate that the Spanish were raising local militia units well before this time in the Americas, so it is likely that this did occur and it's a reasonable guess that it would have been in at least the major settlements like Buenos-Ayres and Montevideo. FYI, the book also gives specific uniform details for the 3 regular units from Buenos-Ayres: Infanteria de Buenos-Ayres
Casaca, chupa y calzon azules; collarin y vuelta encarnados; boton blanco. Dragones de Buenos-Ayres
Casaca, capa y mantilla azules; vuelta, chupa, y calzon encarnados, boton dorado. Blandengues de la Frontera de Buenos-Ayres
Casaca corta azul; collarin, vuelta, solapa, chupa y calzon encarnados; boton blanco. Thought you might like that information, too. Rick |
| Carlos Marighela 2 | 15 Dec 2007 7:55 p.m. PST |
Gracias, I've located the site of a reenactors group in BA that has some good uniform detail, along with the Regimentos de America website. picture |
| Florida Tory | 15 Dec 2007 8:05 p.m. PST |
That's a good web site. I wish it covered the Spanish North American colonies! Rick |
| Florida Tory | 19 Dec 2007 5:52 a.m. PST |
Carlos, I think Jose Maria Bueno's book "La Defensa del Rio de la Plata" might be of interest to you, if you are unaware of it: link I found the product listing on the Guinea Hobbies web site, which is where I bought the Lahoz & Gonzalez book. Rick |
| Steven H Smith | 03 Jan 2008 4:14 a.m. PST |
I came across this excellent page from a Spanish language Web site. These are contemporary uniform prints: Tropas de guarnición en Buenos Aires en 1807: link |
| Jeremy Sutcliffe | 03 Jan 2008 5:15 p.m. PST |
That's actually a pretty useful site for Spanish uniforms through the ages. Thanks for the link. |
 Whirlwind  | 04 Jan 2008 12:04 a.m. PST |
Thanks Steven, that is a great link. |
