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abdul666lw08 Dec 2007 8:49 a.m. PST

(Xposted on the VSF board since some ‘steampunk' ranges can include a few minis relevant to the topic)

OK, I have not intent to ‘justify' such a ‘freak' idea, so alien to the Lace Wars ethos! Then, Robida robida.info/visionnaire.htm in «La Guerre au Vingtième Siècle»: link prophetized that women would be enlisted in the Territorial Army: thus female Regiments may indeed be seen as a «Lacepunk» (Science-Fiction in a Lace Wars setting) feature….

Thus I'm interested in compiling a list of ‘military' 18th C. female minis
(‘military' in that, according to their dress, they can be part of a field unit: so e.g. FIW ‘female colonists' in long dress, even if wearing a musket, are not relevant).

A full range is under development for years and grows slowly; not on display on the Eureka site since it's a kind of ‘private venture' variant of E100; its appearance on the general market is currently partial and irregular:
link

Suren has, in the «Willie» French Early Napoleonic Range, figures for Italy & Egypt : one of them is a figure of «Madame Foures-Bellitote ala-Hussard, riding en-cavalier»; I know of no pic on-line:??
I also read somewhere (unable to retrieve the ref.) that among the Suren 18th C. ranges there is an ambiguous, Chevalier d'Eon-like, young mounted officer ?

The ‘Sandra' range is a ‘spin off' from some Eureka Female Pirates minis, and of course a very ‘irregular' unit can be buit by mixing ‘tricorned' such from a variety of ranges; painted in uniform colors, they would make a good ‘Charging Infantry' (in WRG parlance) Militia unit: headwapping (later concealed under a ‘dog collar' necklace) can increase the available diversity. Useful «Tricorned» (or bareheaded and in suitable dress: ‘land' breeches…) female Pirates appear afaik in only 4 ranges :
Brigade Games:
link
Eureka Miniatures (‘Pirate Ladies'):
link
Reaper Miniatures (well, maybe 1 or 2 ‘characters'):
link
WestWind Productions (again, for 1 or 2 ‘characters' at most):
link

Now, minis NOT intended for a Lace Wars setting can be pressed in service.

Old Glory has a set of Female Cossacks (of doubtful usefulness imho: perhaps as Light Cavalry, after shortening drastically the 19th C.-looking oversized plume?) :
link

A kind of light troops can be provided by Brigade Games ACW female Zouaves, though they would look less ‘19th C.' with a greenstuff turban around their ‘chechia': link
(there is also a corresponding ‘character').

Eureka ‘Pax Limpopo' African female warriors are unfortunately not of use, given their pose and weaponry; afaik no manufacturer did the 19th C. Amazons of Dahomey: too bad since, after addition by 'paint conversion' of shoes, stockings and perhaps a blouse (transparency effects on a dark skin!) to decently field them under our climate, how well they would satisfy the mid-18th C. European taste for 'exoticism'!


Freebooter Minis offer with their ‘Arquebusieres' what could be used as a Lace Wars «Warrior Princess»' Own / Lieb Unit:
link


Even Warmachine can provide, with the ‘Arcane Tempest Gun Mages', a few useful minis, if better suited to depict characters or officers than to built a whole unit :
link


Does somebody know of 25 – 30mm female minis that could be added to this list?

Thanks in advance,
Jean-Louis
(aka Louys of Monte-Cristo
link )

new guy08 Dec 2007 9:18 a.m. PST

Here is a link to Tradition link where you can find many of the older manufacturers, including Suren, under "wargame figures" about half way down the left hand side of the page you view initially.

I will look through my pictures of the Suren figures our group has in our collections to see if there might be something useful.

I/S

John the OFM08 Dec 2007 9:41 a.m. PST

You may want to email Nic at Eureka Miniatures, and ask about availability. Their catalog takes an awful long time to catch up to what is there.

The Gray Ghost08 Dec 2007 10:56 a.m. PST

afaik no manufacturer did the 19th C. Amazons of Dahomey

Dixon did

altfritz08 Dec 2007 12:24 p.m. PST

does

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Dec 2007 12:37 p.m. PST

I received some of the Countess Sandra SYW figures as samples as part of a recent Eureka order. Probably if you wanted to order them, Nic would accomodate you.

abdul666lw08 Dec 2007 1:46 p.m. PST

Thanks for thr Dixon reference!

Jean-Louis

Grelber08 Dec 2007 5:25 p.m. PST

I think I understand your point about the FIW ladies, but I don't entirely agree with you. Certainly dressing female warriors in men's garb seems reasonable to us but then that's what modern armies do (except for dressier orders of uniforms). I think it would have been a major intellectual stretch for the 18th century minds. Saxo Grammaticus mentions Viking lady warriors, who are portrayed in female clothes with mail, helm, and sword, the Dahomey Amazons wore modified female clothing. We like to think trousers are practical, but Greek sources claim the foustanella kilts/skirts were comfortable and allowed more freedom of movement.
If nothing else, the FIW ladies might represent a more conservative nation. Alternatively, they could be militia. You could do a little conversion to achieve a more military look--brass buttons, lace, facing colors at collar, cuff and hem. Perhaps headgear more minatory than a mob cap. Or, check out General Jinjur's army of women in L. Frank Baum's book The Marvelous Land of Oz: they wore ankle length skirts made of four different colored panels (representing the different provinces)with the color of their province in front.

Grelber08 Dec 2007 5:35 p.m. PST

By the way, Jean-Louis, what sort of plans do you have for these figures? I have some of the Brigade Games zouaves and, while I think they are nice figures, and I'm enjoying painting them up, I haven't quite decided how they would be used in an actual game.
Grelber

abdul666lw09 Dec 2007 8:49 a.m. PST

Grelber
actually no plan at all, at least no further than dreaming / toying with the idea, at most some day re-coloring pics… At 63+, having ceased to actively wargame and paint minis, packed my (AncMed) Amazons, trees, hills since… 15 years now? I have no intent to start all again from scratch.
When actively wargaming in a kind of Hyborian (both Tony Bath's and Howard's!) setting, my Amazons were a *huge* mercenary warband (no women warriors at full army scale in the world of Conan, except for a KuBleeped text-like tribe). How such could fit in a Lace Wars setting I don't really know: probably a 'national' tradition of total equality between men and women, for rights and duties alike; probably no real 'field units' nonetheless, but a Prinzessin Lieb Unit and various militia. Following the historical exemples of ACW and British Victorian volunteers, the uniforms can be varied and in some cases 'exotic'. Anyway I have always been more concerned with uniforms than 'real' tabletop armies:
link

Thanks for your interest,
Jean-Louis

abdul666lw09 Dec 2007 9:28 a.m. PST

In the mythical Lace Wars Europe of the "collective" 'Emperor vs Elector' campaign blog:
TMP link
emperor-elector.blogspot.com
'Reconstituted Byzantium' link
fields an Amazon Corps.
Now 'Reconstituted Byzantium' is emphatically NOT your 'normal' European Imagi-Nation:
link
Ishtar worshippers and the army, while issued with 'modern' firearms, looks even more 'exotic' than a Turkish or Persian 18th C. horde. ShadowForge Tribals with 18th C. weapons are used for the Amazon Corps acting as 'Delta Forces' on the tabletop, or as bodyguards in Constantinople!
For me I'd rather see Privateer Press 'Arquebusieres' in that double role….

Jean-Louis

abdul666lw04 Feb 2008 10:51 a.m. PST

Updated the list of *known* suitable references in 25 – 28mm:
link

If you know other as yet unquoted, please inform me!

Jean-louis
PS: wonder why my previous post was 'censored'? I merely quoted a 'real' country name from the Hyborian world -probably appeared 'suspect' to some suspicious software…

abdul666lw14 Feb 2008 7:54 a.m. PST

Listing updated:
link
Don't be surprised by the title of the post: it's the right link; just scroll down (& hopefully peruse on your way)
JL

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