"Eureka 100 Club Hungarians, Croats, Pandurs 1740-48" Topic

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I'll probably be posting this message here and there, Sso expect to see this message more than a few times as you trawl the 'net!

For quite a long time now I have been wanting to build forces for the Austrian Army of the War of the Austrian Succession, but as it were, you just can't get the Croats!

I've been doing a little preliminary research and have found that visual reference is quite abundant in the form of material at the NYPL website, Knotels' Uniformenkunde and even some excellent Ospreys.

As a result I am about to put together a 100 Club proposal for Eureka Miniatures. To this end I have created a Yahoo Group where I am going to store materials relating to the request –

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I'd encourage anyone with an interest in the project to join.

Please be aware that as I am posting this, there is NO information to be had yet at the group. This will change in the next two days as I start to add material.

I am thinking that the troops I'd like to see created would be Hungarian Infantry, Croats, and Pandours. With regard the Croats and Pandurs, I'm looking to get as much variety as possible, whilst the Hungarians will be more the "Marching Infantry plus Officer, NCO and Musician" type of Eureka product we are familiar with, plus I suppose, an option on a firing-line to satisfy those who enjoy their troops engaged in that activity!

Please feel free to join up and let me know whether you might be interested in getting your hands on some of Maria Theresas' Wild Men.

Please inundate me with suggestions, questions and all your thoughts.

Regards,

Greg Horne
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Greg: would you be interested in having some of the figures made as the more irregular and wilder looking Pandours, as shown in one of the Knotel plates, for the early 1740s? My recollection is that they didn't have "uniform" uniforms until either late in the WAS or in the SYW. Hmm, Trenck's Pandours, that would be a nice addition to the range.

Judging from the picture on the front page of your yahoo group, I surmise that the answer to my question is yes.

Since pandours and Croats were popular subjects for eighteenth century porcelain figurines, maybe some images will show up form that direction.

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Dear Alte Fritz! Yes, absolutely. As you know i have been interested in the Austrain attacks on Bavaria in about 1742 (hence my "Defence of Strudelburg" game-in-development!); definately interested in th unregulated Croats and Pandurs. I'm also interested in doing the Hungarian infantry from the First Silesian War – so far as I know this troop type is only represented by one rather blobby Spencer Smith figure!

Cardinal Hawkwood, I thank you for the excellent Knoetel prints. There are others to be had also from the NY Public Library website which I am assembling at the moment.

I also need to fire up my scanner and strip-mine my Ospreys.

CAn anyone suddest other sources? I'll be looking at Duffy's "Instrument of War" tomorrow.

Thanks for your support,

Greg Horne

yes fire up the scanner and send me a scan of an Austrian trumpeter, I presume Osprey has one?

Ah, but do I have the appropriate Osprey? Sadly, no…

you could have said that before!!wouldn't it be helpful in your project?

You never asked!

Anyway, I'm thinking of making the Hungarian Infantry the first subject for the 100 Club. The references I have seem to paint a pretty clear picture for 1740-45.

I'm thinking of something like the Eureka Saxons – An officer or two, an ensign, an NCO, a musician and a marching soldier.

I'm not yet sure as to whether the Hungarians had Grenadiers and if they did what their distinctions may have been.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

I'm planning 100 Club orders for the Croats and the Pandurs seperately, but both of them will be needing a fair amount of study before I can come up with anything really definate on their dress.

Greg

Thanks for the terrific Knoetel plates!
I feel very fortunate that, as a novice wargamer, I have found such useful resources! :D

hmm really definate dress of pandours and Croats, me thinks you will be taking full advantage of the 4 figure variation per code..everybody seems to look different

I think the way to go might be to slowly put in seperate 100 Club orders for the differing Croat regiments; likewise to put one in for the Trenck Pandurs as well.

I think the first corps to do might be the Warasdiners, as they seem to have been a fairly uniform lot. I'm thinking an officer, an ensign, a musician and 3-4 skirmishing infantry.

Thoughts?