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I have worked for Steve Jackson Games (The cover art of many of the OGRE/GEV boxed sets is mine).

Citadel back in the 1980's. I bought several lines from Bryan Ansell at that time and did the display peices for the Dalling Roiad shop of the Thrud miniatures, as well as many 40K minis… I did some conversions of the first Space Orks (that were unfortunately pulled due to some questions over their "appropriateness")

I have done a lot of painting (and sculpting) for companies dating back to Heritage USA, Genesis Gaming Products (who eventually became Reaper, who I could probably walk into pretty much at any time and get work).

I have done painting for Ral Partha back in the 80s, and may be doing some work for Iron Wind Metals if I can get school sorted out with enough time to get a proposal put together and discuss it with Michael Noe (I have already mentioned as much before)… but, again… That is something that wold be outside this discussion…

As far as who has allowed me to alter their work for personal use..

I already answered that question… None of anyone's business unless you are an employee of a company in question… That is usually part of the arrangement unless I am producing a work that is to be released (in which case none of this whole mess applies), in which case… again… none of this matters…

I am surprised that you cannot understand why it is not a good idea to go about releasing info like that… I already explained to one person what they should do if they want to do something similar…

All of them huh? So, you know who Julie is from Partha? Greg? How about any of the Ric's from Citadel (only passing aquaintences with most of them… It was Bryan Ansell who I dealt with… He will remember me as "The VERY eccentric Texan"). Al from Heritage?

I perfectly well understand why it isnt a good idea, and to be honest dont expect you to really. However your the one who's making the claims here and namedropping a few folk doesn't show proof of consent.

And I only know one Ric from Citadel, bearded chap, writes games ;)

That would be one of them…. There used to be a few more of them… Halliwell, Preistly, and another whose name I forget…

I am glad that you don't expect it… It would also be a breach of two of the agreements…

I bought several lines from Bryan Ansell at that time and did the display peices for the Dalling Roiad shop of the Thrud miniatures, as well as many 40K minis

Did you meet James (Jim) Cockburn while you were there?
He was painting most of the Fantasy armies in the window at Dalling Rd back when GW was kicking off.

Haliwell left GW over ten years ago and now works in the computer game industry.Priestly is who I'm talking about.

Nevertheless. if you are going to make grand claims then dont expect everyone to take them at face value,particularly when offered as a smoke screen for actions which most disaprove of, namely copying.

Were you to have made add on or conversion kits for adapting figures with a little work no doubt you'd have been praised, but to copy the original figures made by someone else as well is a line you have crossed which just feels wrong(at least to most folk)regardless of how many sub clauses of legal speak you may quote,all that does is make you appear like a sanctimonious smartarse.

RT…

I met a "Jim", but that was so long ago that I do not recall if he was the same one you are mentioning…

I know that I had a strange reaction to whoever was painting their stuff… I think that there was a sort of sublimated clash of wills or something…

I am also trying to remember the name of the manager at Dalling Road. He eventually went on to run the US GW Shop in Baltimore, and the US production facilities before leaving to go run Task Force Games for a while.

Yoricke,

It would be in 1983 – 88 that I knew the guys there… I still wish that I had bought Bryan's Scimitar… Cool little car… Only three made…

I don't give a rat's anantomy what you think of what I have done… I am not seeking your approval, nor whether you feel anything I have done is wrong… I don't need your permission for anything…

All I have been doing is pointing out that most of you people who are objecting seem to be the sancimonious ones by making claims that you have not backed up with a shred of evidence…

All that has been done (Save for the posting of the Chickering case) has been to stomp and shout:

"Nuh-UH!"

Fine by me if you wish to remain in ignorance…

As for the morality of things… I have no problems sleeping at night and I know of no-one in the industry whom I have worked with, for or around who is critical of anything I have done regarding this (They have MUCH, MUCH largish issues with me than something that they would rather see me doing(working with miniatures/sculpting again): which would be among the reasons I was given permission in a few cases I think)

Arrg..larger

JI we were just starting to get along better, but you go and blow it again.
Remember, talk calmly and explain what you are saying properly.
When you make statements, remember that some other people are intelligent enough to realise when they do not match with previous statements you have made.
You should not keep dead rats, they could be a health risk.
Which Scimitar did he have? At last something that is interesting.

It was a Triumph Scimitar Coupe… 1979/80 that was made by Tirumph for their Rally Team. British Racing Green… Nice White Trim on the front fender and side panels, beautiful wire wheels (added after it had competed… I think that they knew by then that wire wheels were a lot of dead weight for the road). The Engine was a 6 cylinder in-line with three carbs…They made three of them that year for the Rally Team (including a batch of spare parts that were specific to that year model. I could have had it for £4,000.00 GBP

I had the choice of that or some miniature lines that Citadel/Vryan was letting go of… I wish that I had waited 6 more months… I wouldn't have had to make that choice.

Whatever Judas.

You came here to gloat about trolling on another forum and ended up boasting about copying others work.

You'll have to live with the plagiarist recaster tag and its entirely of your own making.

And who cares what car you could have bought from Ansell,I know him too but will keep those opinions to myself.

yadayadayada…

JI, did you meet a chap who was running the computer side of GW in the warehouse'office area at Dalling Rd before they departed for Nottingham, by the name of Russell Clarke?

That would have been after my time… They didn't set up the computer stuff until the 90s… I was… Not around (at least not anywhere that anyone would have been able to find me) at that time… Life took me elsewhere during that period…

Which is why many of the people in the Industry tend to be rather worried about me at times (Those "other" things that I mentioned them being more concerned about than if I am working on various miniatures projects that Yoricke seems to be so focused upon)…

I wish that 1988 had turned out just a scooch differently… I would be in a very different place (or maybe actually dead)… The last two times I was in England (1988/89) I only got to drop by to say hello to a friend who used to work at Dalling Road back in 1985, and then I had to move on to the work I had to get done while there (which took me to some pretty strange places… I thought it was fun at the time though)

"That would have been after my time… They didn't set up the computer stuff until the 90s… I was… Not around (at least not anywhere that anyone would have been able to find me) at that time… Life took me elsewhere during that period…"

No Russell finished working for them in 1984.
I've seen the original hard drives froom the original computers.
I'm not sure anything could run them these days but Russell finished at GW when Ansell headed north.

Are you talking about the Guy who did Steve and Ian's White Dwarf Typesetting, or the Guy who did Battlecars and the other early PC games?

They were based over at an office that I went to exactly twice, and couldn't have found my way back there if my life depended on it… .Now, if we had walked… Or taken a tube… I could have told you… But, anyplace I was driven in London was like being taken through a labyrinth…

Bryan Was already living in Nottingham when I moved to London in Sept of '83 for school…And, I didn't think that GW "Officially" headed up there 'till sometime in the late 90's… I do remember the guy who did the early Computer games coming into the shop a few times, and he was up in Nottingham when I was busing crating molds of dragons… But, I don't recall him specifically… Too busy pretending to like the tea that everyone kept pouring through me…

Amiga… NOT PC…

Recaster

OH! Wounded by the scorn of the unknown who has cast their judgement against me…

Will I survive!? OH! HOW WILL I SURVIVE????

Just play Hoplon. That should do it. :)

"OH! Wounded by the scorn of the unknown who has cast their judgement against me…"

And yet you come here purely to attention seek and have stones thrown at you.

What a sad individual you are.

It's astounding that JI can say that he got permission from someone to make a derivative work and then he gets jumped on him for "stealing" from them.

If you get permission from the copyright holder, it. can. never. be. copyright. violation.

Furthermore, I believe JI when he talks about his in court experiences regarding this subject of reproductions. They line up with my own experience and advice from lawyers.

Parties with certain financial interests have done a wonderful job of propagandizing the population when it comes to IP. To the point where people are voluntarily giving up their rights because they've been tricked into thinking they don't have them in the first place.

That said, I believe that miniature makers will always have a place in the same way that book sellers have a place. While you can certainly print and bind your own books economically with a minimal outlay in terms of equipment, people still buy books ready produced instead of buying a file and printing it themselves. Even if 3d printers become ridiculously cheap and easy to use and get, I think people will still buy pre-made miniatures.

As for GW defenders on forums, I'd say I've noticed a good portion of that. GW has done an incredibly amount to alienate existing customers and some people feel it's their duty to defend them. GW definitely has an internal corporate "yes men" culture and that also seems to replicate itself among the fans.

And you necroed this frakking thread for THAT?!?!

Also, frak GW, and the sooner they go out of 'business', the better.