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The War Event23 Oct 2007 1:51 p.m. PST

Strangest post. What does a tank have to do with "imitation" legionares?

- Greg

Martin Rapier23 Oct 2007 2:23 p.m. PST

The bug, although I'm not sure why this thread is on both the Ancients and WW2 boards!

Martin Rapier23 Oct 2007 2:25 p.m. PST

"tanned romans"

Brilliant – I think that just about sums it up – they'd look quite exotic wouldn't they?

RockyRusso24 Oct 2007 9:23 a.m. PST

Hi

the first time a gamer got on me about "imitation legionaries", was in a game almost 30 years ago in Denver. Our Art of War rules love to distinguish between equipment and their capabilities. This is based on my fondness for building and using and feeling I know the details here.

Anyway, the short version is that the guy showed up with his 1st century BC imitation legionaries for his Pontic army. Wanted some flexibility in his Syntagma. Right.

In segmentata.

This always seems to be driven by the wargamer looking for another advantage for a Roman Opponent. It is absolutly true that every BIT of the roman army was derivitive. The "battle winner" was in the training and how they combined all these bits from everywhere into something both different and effective.

In a very real sense, the romans are near unique. Most armies are built around local prejudices about how armies work, local hunting weapons and tradtions. The romans cheerfully borrowed whatever looked good to them.

It ends up being a variant of "what if Patton had Tigers", or "what if hannibal had a hang glider". They COULDA!

By now it is probably clear that I fall into the prejudice that the use of "legion" is merely a term used because it is familiar to the audience. As well as "in the roman way".

Rocky

Swampster25 Oct 2007 3:38 a.m. PST

I agree that the use of 'legion' can, in some cases be the use of a familiar word to mean 'a large number of men'. More recent writes used regiment or battalion in a similar way.

I disagree about 'armed in the Roman way' though. It often appears after a description that Roman exiles or training missions have been involved. It is not only for the general reader, either. Cicero uses the term to describe the Galatian troops when writing to Atticus. He is writing as the commander of the Roman forces.

Other uses of the term…
The description of the parade at Daphne, where it is further qualified by describing the armour.
Caesar's training and arming of the Alaudae.
Polybios describing the rearming of the Africans. He _does not_ say that the Spaniards are armed in the Roman fashion.
The rearming of the Spaniards by Sertorius.
Mithradates' troops, trained by exiles.
First century AD Pontic troops (sometimes taken as being armed like 1st C. auxillia though). Their Roman style equipment is used to contrast with their 'Greek' indolence.
Allen has already cited the Numidian examples.


Tigranes' troops were organised in the 'Italian manner' though this may not mean they received the weapons.

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