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Mr Martyn31 Aug 2007 1:17 p.m. PST

Does anyone know of any manufacturers that plan to release a new range of War of 1812 figs? Personally, I'm not too keen on the old glory and foundry ranges.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Aug 2007 1:49 p.m. PST

Not in 25mm…..

syr876631 Aug 2007 6:49 p.m. PST

Do the Perrys make 1812 figs? What about renegade?

the trojan bunny31 Aug 2007 7:11 p.m. PST

syr8766: Perry's don't do war of 1812, and Renegade don't do any Napoleonics. As far as I am aware, Foundry and Old Glory are the only makers of 28mm War of 1812 minis.

aecurtis Fezian31 Aug 2007 8:44 p.m. PST

Frontier has done them for a long time, if you can find them again.

Allen

Mr Martyn01 Sep 2007 7:56 a.m. PST

I emailed the perry brothers some weeks ago and asked them the same, but they advised that they had no plans to sculpt this range in the near future.

I understand that the Foundry range is done by Aly Morrison, but are too small for my taste (especially when compared to the Perrys' AWI range).

However, the Foundry British WO1812 in greatcoats are a piece of cake to paint.

Robert Robel03 Sep 2007 5:08 p.m. PST

Is there any reason Foundry Nap. Brits will not work? 1812 Americans look hardly any different to me except the blue coats

Woolshed Wargamer10 Sep 2007 1:07 a.m. PST

I have three regiments of Old Glory US Infantry in Felt shakos (March Attack) and several militia battalions painted and I was pleasantly surprised at how nice they look. The riflemen are great. THey are a few millimetres shorter than Front Rank and Foundry figures but on the table you can hardly notice.

marco56 Supporting Member of TMP28 Oct 2012 8:27 p.m. PST

Does anyone do the Battle of New Orleans in 28mm?
Mark

Fergal29 Oct 2012 4:53 a.m. PST

How about Knuckleduster?

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marco56 Supporting Member of TMP29 Oct 2012 6:40 a.m. PST

They have some real nice figures but so far only for the Northern Theater.
Mark

eptingmike29 Oct 2012 10:06 p.m. PST

Knuckleduster are great! I like the OG line as well and I am using Victrix and Perry Plastics for the British and Canadian troops.

michaelsbagley30 Oct 2012 9:25 a.m. PST

I have some Knuckleduster, and some Old Glory…

The above statement that Old Glory's line is focused on the northern theatres of battle is true… But between those two companies lines (which in my opinion pair fairly well together on the table), and maybe some artful substitutions, you should be able to get something together for the battle of New Orleans, and other southern battles (were there really that many others of note?).

The US regulars from Old Glory should be just as valid in the southern theatre as they are for the north… I'm not an expert, but I can't see vastly different uniforms being used in different parts of the country at that time (with the exception of the militia and uniformed militias in the Kentucky and other more western fronts).

Inkpaduta30 Oct 2012 10:09 a.m. PST

I have seen the Knucklebuster figures. They were really good. Very nice figures.

spontoon01 Nov 2012 2:39 p.m. PST

The Old Foundry were pretty good.

nevinsrip13 Nov 2012 11:36 p.m. PST

I am not a big fan of Old Glory usually, but their 1812 line is very well done. It is by far, their best sculpted line in my opinion. And they mix well with Foundry. I think that they are excellent sculpts. Perhaps it's just personal taste, but I don't see why you would not consider them.

HinchCliffe, Connoisseur or 4 MOST or one of those companies did an 1812 line way back when dinosaurs walked the earth. They are a bit dated, but looke great massed in formations.

KnuckleDuster is another really good line. Give them a look.

Come In Nighthawk19 Nov 2012 9:56 a.m. PST

@Mr Martyn, I am assuming you may have some of the standard "arm chair historian's" reference works, since you only asked about figure manufacturers? I no longer game "1812," and when I did it was in 15mm. However, I use Old Glory 28mm F&IW/SYW figures and like 'em well enough, but I do understand that for some folks OG figures are not to their "taste." Still, I'd think about it…

@michaelsbagley and others, as you ask about Northern & Southern and uniform variations, I'd humbly suggest picking up, if nothing else, the relevant Osprey's if you think you might do "1812." And assuming you don't already have 'em!!! grin

The US regulars from Old Glory should be just as valid in the southern theatre as they are for the north…

As already noted a long time ago in another galaxy I did "1812" in 15mm, and, was a subscriber (now sadly lapsed) to the pubs of the Company of Military Historians; somewhere I have most of my plate collection, although a basement flood ruined a few.

You're going to have to be pretty "aggressive" to want to drill down on the minute differences in American uniforms between what "I" would call the "North-western," the "Northern," the "Eastern" and "Southern" TsOW. I.E., the Niagara, Champlain Valley, "Coastal," and Gulf Theaters (Gulf encompassing the backwoods of the "Old Southwest" and Jackson's campaign against the Indians there). By "drill down" I mean: when did the order go out from Washington to adopt new clothing, when did the commands receive and acknowledge same, and MORE importantly, the Depots/Magazines (and principally, Philadelphia Arsenal), and when did the commands receive new clothing?

If you've got Xerox copies out of the unit Letter Books to show that, say, Brig. Gen. Jethro Tull's brigade only received enough of the new "1813" uniform to cloth the US 79th Infantry on 14 March 1814, issued it to the eight companies of the regiment present at Fort Lost-in-the-Woods on 15-25 March, and the brigade then marched out with the US 65th and 69th still clothed in the now-shabby "mixed" uniforms they had received in the winter of 1812/13 to do battle at Puddler's Pond on 5 April, then I say, "drive on!" [I jest, there was no US 65th, 69th, or 79th.]

The Regulations of 1810 (see US Army Center of Military History) called for the Army's "Winter Uniform" to be a blue "coatee," with red collar and cuff. The pre-1810 red facings (lapels, if you will) were eliminated, and the coatee front closure was held together by hooks and eyes, its two rows of non-functioning buttons surrounded with white lace binding. The pre-1810 soldier's "Round Hat" was replaced with a flat-topped shako, aka "Yeoman Crown Shako." Most officers wore a long-tailed version of the coat with either a bicorne or shako, though "company officers" might wear a better version of the soldiers' coatee, and the more affluent effected hussar-style boots instead of "shoes."

Blue cloth being hard to come by after 1804, as it was mostly imported from Europe, alternatives were resorted to in 1812 clothing all but the "old corps." For the winter of 1812/13 at least, the first seven infantry regiments wore the prescribed uniform. However, according to the CMH, "Beginning around 1800, white linen roundabouts were issued to troops south of the Potomac River for summer wear. Issue was extended to troops in northern districts during the War of 1812." These "roundabouts" or "summer uniform" are what folks often mean (as I discovered when pressing opponents when I war-gamed in 15mm) by the "Southern Theater" uniform. The coatee and trousers were cut in exactly the style of the then-current "winter uniform," but were of completely unadorned white or off-white linen, and the coatee was secured by a nine-button front.

As the CMH notes, the linen uniform could be and was issued in the "North" from 1812 on-wards -- as a stop-gap when new regiments were raised in the war, or in summer if the old winter gear was worn out. This bought the Philadelphia Arsenal and the Commissaries five or six months time to try to get new "proper" winter uniforms. To add to the Federal troops' difficulties, the states sometimes had the cash to out-bid the central government contractors for the supply of available blue cloth to clothe their militias!!

JUST to confuse things further, in a cost-cutting move just before the war broke out, NEW Army Regulations were issued in February 1812 calling for a single breasted "coatee" with red collar and cuffs, but with the double-row of false buttons with the hook-and-eye closure system replaced by a cheaper single-row, 10-button front closure, with white "binding lace" for infantry and yellow for artillery (white or yellow metal buttons respectively). That explains why the "old corps" needed new uniforms in 1812 when the war started, as otherwise they should have only needed a LIMITED re-supply to replace worn out articles, since without the requirement to clothe the men in yet another a new uniform style in just two years, many men probably could have been able to keep wearing the uniform of 1810/11… albeit maybe with some repairs…

So, to the "new regiments" of 1812 in the winter of 1812/13. Many if not most of them had a uniform CUT properly to the Feb. 1812 Regulations, but varied principally though not exclusively in the color of the coat:

12th: "drab"
15th: "mixed" (i.e. mixing of the wool thread resulting in a kind of grey)
16th: black
17th: a mix of black, blue, brown, and drab coats -- I have no idea if an attempt was made to at least put each company in the same color.
25th: blue coatee; red cuffs & collar (but the white binding lace on the collar only).
26th: ditto
27th: ditto
28th: ditto

In addition, if I read the source correctly, some of the 17th's brown coatees came with GREEN facings, not red, and some musicians (in all these units?) got green coatees not red (red was specified -- i.e. the old "reverse colors" for the music).

The financial burden of the war being what it was, yet more regulations changes came quickly. In February 1813, the white binding was ordered eliminated. The CMH then states: "In May 1813 uniform regulations were again revised. The new uniform coatee was to single breasted with a 10-button closure in front. The red collar and cuffs were eliminated and lace binding was to be on the collar only in either white for infantry or yellow for artillery. The regulations also introduced a new cap or shako copied directly from the Belgic-type cap [or "tombstone"] worn by the British Infantry."

The Rifle Regiment wore a similar 1812 winter uniform to the infantry in "bottle green," and green hunting shirts in the summer. When three new Rifle Regiments (#s 2-4) were added in 1814, they were clothed in grey of the 1813 pattern, with the "tombstone" shacko. It is speculated the old regiment (by then numbered as the the 1st) managed to keep its green winter uniforms, but took up the new shacko.

Ref.: Years of Growth 1796 – 1851. Military Uniforms in America, Volume II, edited by John R. Elting (Warwick, RI: The Company of Military Historians, 1977)

ACW Gamer30 Apr 2013 7:03 p.m. PST

What are the leading ranges now?

Long Valley Gamer Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2013 7:17 p.m. PST

Come in Nighthawk….amazing response…

Durando30 Apr 2013 11:49 p.m. PST

Miniature Figurines/Matchlock Miniatures

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Adam from Lancashire01 May 2013 5:15 a.m. PST

Brigade Games have some really nice Paul Hicks sculpted American infantry.

AICUSV01 May 2013 7:48 a.m. PST

CiN nice info – I believe that some musicians also received grey coats with black collars and cuffs. Should note that the regulation musicians uniform was red coat, blue c&c., with white lace. There were reports that some of the infantry regiments were wearing brass plates (which had been meant for the artillery) as the tin plates rotted away to quickly. Not all regiments received shako plates and took to wearing a loop and button on the front of the shako.
It would appear that the farther out on the supply line the less the troops got. With each depot commander taking what they wanted before passing the stores on to the next station.
Brigade Games has a set they call Scott's brigade – they are in roundabouts, which could be painted in the white fatigue uniform.
There is a report of a sentry freezing to death at Niagara during the winter of 1812-13 being clothed in the white lined uniform.

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