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streetline Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 4:23 a.m. PST

OK. So following from the debacle of the second Imperial Fleet for BFG (where they withdraw 1/3 of the fleet due to casting problems) GW have released the Mars fleet.

Or not.

GW mail order just told me that the Mars/ Adeptus Mechanicus battleship has been withdrawn and there are no plans to release it again, due to casting problems. So, once again, GW fails to make a spaceship model. Once again, GW withdraws part of an army and doesn't replace it, and once again, GW will no doubt wonder why the remainder doesn't sell.

Sorry, aren't these people the biggest company in our industry? Shouldn't this kind of problem be seen before a fleet gets released? £25.00 GBP for a spaceship is taking the Bleeped text as it is, but you'd expect them to at least be able to manufacture the damn thing properly. And their plans to correct it? Stop selling it. Not stop selling it and fix it, but just stop.

I feel ever so sorry for one person still working in the specialist games room – get out now Andy, your bosses obviously don't give a damn about your customers. For the design and molding process to go wrong twice for these ships beggers belief.

Nurse, my tablets please…

Vosper Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 4:33 a.m. PST

Does seem an odd decision. Certainly gives the impression (screams it loudly, actually) that they don't give a darn about this line.

Hundvig Fezian Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 7:03 a.m. PST

Outstanding. That's the ship they chose to feature in the "article" in White Dwarf this month, too. Way to go, GW.

GoodBye Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 7:15 a.m. PST

I would complain via their satisfaction survey but I'm not the demographic they're interested in. I guess it's time to ebay all of my BFG stuff!

Phil Walling Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 7:31 a.m. PST

eeek… well i guess we will be stick to Babylon 5 A Call to Arms…

Such a shame, I rather like BFG…

Buff Orpington Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 8:33 a.m. PST

They had problems years ago with the Repulsive. The cast I had was so bad I cut out the broadside weapons and replaced them with the old IG lascannon barrels.

a kcim Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 9:46 a.m. PST

And your surprised by the lack of financial support and interest in their satellite games because…

Top Gun Ace Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 10:22 a.m. PST

"Sorry, aren't these people the biggest company in our industry"?

No, I imagine Jon of GZG is in spaceships, which by the way are beautiful, and much more reasonably priced.

WeeSparky20 Jul 2007 10:50 a.m. PST

The only flaw with the GW business model is that important decisions are being made by people that work for GW.

Modhail Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 11:45 a.m. PST

Sheesh, GW must hardly have any feet left, seen the amount of shot they pour into them….

That's a costly mess-up to make, seen the sculpting, moulding and production costs, as well as in customer goodwill. (assuming they even care about the latter these days…)

XianXXY Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 12:14 p.m. PST

Those aren't even the original AM ships. The same guy who sculpted the Demiurge and Rogue Trader ships did them a while back, but GW dropped all of their freelance sculptors so the ships he made for the AM fleet never got used.

He had pics of them up on Deviant Art, but GW made him take the pics down a while back. Apparently it violated their IP policy.

His ships were much cooler, the front prow of one was a Am skull and it had cranes struts for ship repairs. One of them was also a "carrier" used to drop titans on planet.

streetline Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 3:33 p.m. PST

His ships were much cooler, the front prow of one was a Am skull and it had cranes struts for ship repairs. One of them was also a "carrier" used to drop titans on planet.

I thought these were different from the preview pics 3 years ago.

Do his models cast? :)

streetline Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 3:37 p.m. PST

And your surprised by the lack of financial support and interest in their satellite games because…

Hello mate… I'm just surprised they've cocked it up again, and won't put it right. I'm just glad I didn't get caught out by this one.

streetline Inactive Member20 Jul 2007 3:38 p.m. PST

No, I imagine Jon of GZG is in spaceships, which by the way are beautiful, and much more reasonably priced.

Yes they are. However I want the Mars fleet, because although I despise the owners, I like the imagary.

Toaster20 Jul 2007 10:29 p.m. PST

I made my local GW shop a boltgun (and in didn't cost me much in materials) swapped it for BFG and then scratchbuilt every other ship design in the book (Ok so I never got round to the grand cruiser) plus the space marines, then I got Fleet Book 1 and went back to Full Thrust. It's a fun system for space opera but the lack of a build system is criminal.

Robert

FritsK22 Jul 2007 7:32 a.m. PST

And then there is their pricing on the new light cruiser. 20 euros in Germany for both the normal and light cruiser. Wtf? In Italy the price the the CL is a lot lower, but that is probably an oversight until GW central gets them into line. I was hoping to get some of these ships, but with the BB casting problems and the pricing of the other ships I am having serious doubts.

Bob Applegate30 Jul 2007 10:35 a.m. PST

At least the rules are free.

Nathaniel Inactive Member31 Jul 2007 3:14 p.m. PST

With the sheer amazing quality of the latest releases from GZG for their Full Thrust line, I can see no reason to buy stuff from GW unless you decided that you just *have* to have those ships.

eptingmike01 Aug 2007 9:53 a.m. PST

Well, I don't know. Regardless of whether or not you use GW's ruleset, the ships, IMHO, look really cool. I think the fact that they look, at least the Imperial ships, so much like some WWI dreadnought makes them easier to relate too, and hence, more 'real.'
Mike

Nathaniel Inactive Member01 Aug 2007 7:11 p.m. PST

Some of them do look really cool. I'm just saying that if you don't *need* the specific look of the GW ships, there are cheaper alternatives with as much quality or more. If I were to put together a BFG fleet, I'd use the Iron Stars range from Brigade Models:

link

Thrud62 Inactive Member02 Aug 2007 1:55 p.m. PST

BFG and Man of War are probably my favorite two GW games, but GW's problems in my opnion are two fold. One thye don't support their local stores, and in fact make it almost impossible for the little guy to amke money off their product.

The second is that heir events are almost non-exisstant at anything but their own cons.

All well and good to amke money, but this virtually elimaintes their opportunity for exposure to the general gaming public.

Their proccuaption with soley tournament paly isn't a big help either. Especailly when the newest release of miniatures is alwasy better point for point than anything existing.

And amn of war, fun game entertaining, well of course they falt out jsut dropped this one.

GW Aaaargh!

TheStarRanger05 Aug 2007 9:12 p.m. PST

Finally Specialist Games (GW) does mention the BB on their website. link
There were casting problems but it will be released in the future:

"As some of you will be aware the Adeptus Mechanicus battleship is no longer available for advance order and has been taken off the Online store. Those wishing to get their hands on the new battleship should not panic though as this is just a temporary measure. During the initial casting process there was a fault with gun ports in the mould, so the green had to go back to Mike (the sculptor) for some repairs. This has now been done and the model is working its way back through the production process and so should be back on sale soon.

For now,
Andy @ Fanatic"

streetline Inactive Member06 Aug 2007 5:11 a.m. PST

Mmmm. I believe them. They got the Endeavour working, they didn't just sweep that under the carpet….

Loweko06 Aug 2007 9:34 a.m. PST

They did? It's not in their online store anywhere I can find it…

Hundvig Fezian Inactive Member06 Aug 2007 4:11 p.m. PST

I believe I detect a whiff of sarcasm… :)

evilmike Inactive Member23 Sep 2007 9:00 p.m. PST

Screw GW. I'm gonna blow up Zhodani. And the mini's are real cheap, too.

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