| GeorgethePug | 03 Jul 2007 1:03 p.m. PST |
I have read about this technique many times……. and was wondering if anyone hd tried it ? The bigger question is where can I find this Bitumen of Judea ?? online or in the USA would be a wonderful help !! |
| Palafox | 03 Jul 2007 1:14 p.m. PST |
IMHO, this technique works better with 15mm. You mix the Bitumen of Judea with extra-matt varnish (this extra-matt is attained usually leaving the varnish rest for some hours/days and then removing about 25%-30% of the medium, the most liquid part, after that mix everything again). I know a link explaining the technique but unfortunately it's only in spanish, the good thing it's that's they sell those products online (they speak english if you send them an email): link In the magazine Wargames, Soldiers and Strategy there was another dossier on this technique. Personally I do not like too much as I prefer another more conventional techniques, but I have to admit that it's easy to master and gives very good results in a short time. |
| Black Cavalier | 03 Jul 2007 2:06 p.m. PST |
I read the WSS magazine article that Palafox references, & about half way through it, I realized it pretty much seemed like The Magic/Miracle Dip process using the MinWax varnish. I never figured out what Bitumen of Judea was, but if you overlook the "staining agent", the 2 processes were just about identicle. |
| MaksimSmelchak | 03 Jul 2007 3:18 p.m. PST |
Hey George, *** Maybe you could find it in Judea? *** It's otherwise known to the Media as "The West Bank." Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
6mm-minis.blogspot.com |
 Der Alte Fritz  | 03 Jul 2007 3:25 p.m. PST |
I used to make a wash made from a few drops of black paint into a whole jar of Floquil Figure Flat, shake the bottle, and then brush the black wash over the whole figure. It gives you a nice effect and I think that it is similar to what was described in the WSS article that I read. It's also a great way to paint black horses. |
Troop of Shewe  | 03 Jul 2007 4:18 p.m. PST |
Isnt this used to seal Flat roofs…. :o) |
| Stavka | 03 Jul 2007 9:49 p.m. PST |
"Bitumen of Judea" sounds like it should be the name of the back up chariot driver for Ben Hur. |
| Palafox | 04 Jul 2007 1:38 a.m. PST |
Agreed with Black Cavalier. In fact when I heard about the Magig Dip I thought it was very similar to the Bitumen of Judea technique. The bitumen of judea is usually employed to make the wood and some metals look old. |
| Supercilius Maximus | 04 Jul 2007 8:35 a.m. PST |
I thought it was the name of a gay bar in Tel Aviv. |
| basileus66 | 04 Jul 2007 9:33 a.m. PST |
How it is called in English? In Spanish the product is called "Betún de Judea" and it is a medium of dark brown colour and with a strong aroma. It is derived from petroleum I think. You can use white spirit to thin it and to clean the brushes. We use it mixed with Matt Varnish. |
| ghpainting | 04 Jul 2007 9:45 a.m. PST |
Here in Greece one of the first professional painter used to mix a very small portion of burnt umber oil color into Humbrol mat varnish and after finish painting the colors in acrylics he varnished the figure with this mix thus he was washing and varnishing the figure at the same time. It worked extremely well in 15s and many of my friends use it to paint there's.
I think this technique has the same results with more easy to find materials. |
| cameronian | 06 Jul 2007 3:36 a.m. PST |
'Syrian asphalt, which is also known as bitumen of Judea, is a naturally occurring mineral tar of high molecular weight that, according to the Bible, was used for caulking both Noah's ark and the rush basket of the infant Moses.' Not a lot of people know that. Photography pioneers used it as well apparently in a process known as photo-etching. Absolutely no help at all to the original poster but interesting nevertheless :) |
| GeorgethePug | 06 Jul 2007 4:58 a.m. PST |
Thank All very much for the information !! TMP is a great place for asking advice on most anything !! I woulld still love to find where I can buy some … I'm a sucker for trying anything new in painting if it can give me results !! |
| MaksimSmelchak | 16 Jul 2007 5:29 p.m. PST |
Hi, [q]"Bitumen of Judea" sounds like it should be the name of the back up chariot driver for Ben Hur.[/q] Thank you. This gave me chuckles… Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
6mm-minis.blogspot.com |
| galatiablu | 04 Dec 2007 10:47 p.m. PST |
Hello George!
My name is Claudia and the net send me to this page while I was looking the name for BETUN DE JUDEA in english, and I found your post here, I guess I did my homework finding it english as BITUMEN OF JUDEA, JEW'S PITCH, OR ASPHALT WAX (thats for me)….and reading here I saw you are looking where to find it. I don't know if by this time you found it, but I did found a link where you can find it: link I live in Guatemala, and here we find it very easily at art supply stores, actually, I was here looking for the name, helping one of my best friends, who is the owner of the biggest art suplly store here and for so long we wanted to know this name in english. My friend imports this product from Brazil, from a company called CORFIX (its the one I like the most from all brands I have tried!). It comes in two presentations, one liquid and the other one is like a paste, in a tube, sadly, CORFIX has not arrived to the US…yet.
I teach painting, and with my students we love to use this product from the tube and mix it with mineral spirits little bit so we can control the effect we want over acrylics mostly , and to remove excess, we use mineral spirits alone with a paper towel or a clean soft cloth to return lights where we want….I adore this product!
If you still want more information I'll be glad to give it to you… Bye! |
