"The word 'Crap'" Topic

George Carlin's famous "Seven Words That You Can Not Say On Television" should probably prevail. I don't think that Cacadore's word is on that list.

I'm done with this. Over and out.

General Montcalm describes me as being full of crap.

Context is given by the poster: crap = .

It's also a personal attack.

So are we all OK that it's OK to call other posters ''full of c***'?

Or not? What do people think?

Klebert L Hall
''The reason 'crap' is allowed, but not it's synonym is probably because that is also the rule in US broadcast censorship''

The point is if offending British English native speakers matters to you Americans or not? Crap is classed as an offensive word on the BBC.

Cacadore like most of us here we come here on our own accord, if I don't like a post (rarely) I just move on and ignore it. It's what we like to call choice, if you find that people using the word crap offends you, but no one else then just move on. Why ruin if for the rest of us barbarians?

Poop

That got through, and means exactly the same.

The point is if offending British English native speakers matters to you Americans or not? Crap is classed as an offensive word on the BBC.

Let's see what TMP's British audience thinks: TMP link

tit

bum

piddle

*snigger*

Amazing how someone can get upset over the most minor thing.

Don't like it, move on.

Dan

Might want to put a filter on that pole so that us naughty Americans cant mess up your results :)

What a crap thread.

poopy
tinkle
pish
Number 1
Number 2
Caca
So I can't say crap if I'm going to the bathroom but.
Dropping the kids off at the pool
Pinch a loaf
Drop a steamer
Pollute the pond
Are all much nicer in polite company than to say I'm gonna take a .

Oh poop! You are in for it now tabletopwarrior!

don't forget releasing the chocolate hostages…

"The point is if offending British English native speakers matters to you Americans or not? Crap is classed as an offensive word on the BBC."

If it's classed as that offensive, why does the Beeb still broadcast US shows which use it that way before the watershed?

anevilgiraffe,
We've already established it's not so offensive in an American context. The argument is about the different treatment of two words which are identical (see post on dictionaries) in the UK.

RE: Poll
The poll question is not really the right question. There are more US than UK posters, so the result of the poll is inevitable, since 'c**p' is less offensive there.

The Question is, should 'C**p' be treated the same as 's***' ?

Let's either 1)ban both, or 2)allow both.

Dear Editor,
(I note the poll is intended for British posters).

Will you put up a similar poll for the word 'S***'? Then we can compare the two (which is the point)!

Trolley (sic)

Ah that's better, the makes more sense as a little grey box

"Let's either 1)ban both, or 2)allow both."

Allow both. I'm a Brit and I'm not offended by either.

Holy crap, Batman!
No, doesn't have the same ring to it … :-)

However; "Holy, I gotta go see a man about a horse, Batman!"

Now that's pure poetry.

Can we say penis? or vagina?

hmmmm, I guess we can!

I want to work where Anevilgiraffe works, I love the sound of Testicular Tuesday. Does that mean you get to say all words that mean the same, like balls and (not that means the same in the truest sense of the word, but I just love it).

And yes I swear at/with my boss, especially when somebody has ed up, or its gone up or everything is just plain old CRAP!

Hey Ed. Germy has a valid point. "You lucky !" shouldn't be bleeped.

"anevilgiraffe,
We've already established it's not so offensive in an American context. The argument is about the different treatment of two words which are identical (see post on
dictionaries) in the UK."

my point however, is if the BBC doesn't like the word, why then should it broadcast it. afterall, context is rather the point of your argument isn't it? if it's ok for the Beeb to show an episode of, say, Buffy that includes the word 'crap' because it's in an American show, then surely it's ok for it to appear here on an American website.

Cacadore, you are behaving on this matter like a whingy child with a crappy diaper looking for attention and demanding he be noticed.

Knock it off. This crusade of your is the penultimate in political correctness.

Next you'll be demanding that Bill put in filters and national preferences that automatically substitute "boot" for "trunk" and other things.

Bridget, anything in the general vicinity is up for grabs (if you'll pardon the expression) and all variations of terminology are perfectly acceptable… although we don't use the C word for Womb Wednesday (the proper C word – not the one that started this mess off) as there are ladies present (in fact I'm the only bloke in my office – a shocking indictment no doubt).

@Cacadore – You've repeatedly implied that Bill and Americans in general are "parochial" and "culturally insensitive". Frankly, I find THAT offensive. Far more offensive than any "coarse" language. After all, it's the intent that makes spoken words offensive or not.

Using any given word doesn't offend me, unless that word was spoken (or typed) with the INTENT to offend me. Even then, it's not the word that offends, but the fact that someone was TRYING to offend me.

I think you are perhaps trying to offend a good many people with this thread. I honestly cannot fathom any other reason for this anti-crap crusade, coupled with your clearly anti-American statements.

You've been a member of TMP for 611 days, according to your profile. In all this time, you're just NOW finding this word to be a problem?

But, we should probably consider the audience when determining what terminology is acceptable. Here we have a collection of wargamers. Largely men, many of them with military or law enforcement backgrounds. Often, wargaming is a "guy thing". Sometimes it's married men spending time with "the boys" and just being guys. GUYS ARE COARSE! I know, I am one and have been all my life.

I really think this is a silly topic, but, perhaps the joke's on us. We fed him, now we gotta keep him I guess…

Hmm. How many native "American" speakers in the world. How many native "British" speakers? Which standard should prevail?

Number 2 daughter aged 9 has just done her school exam (in the UK) and received a glowing report for naming Thomas Crapper as an eminent victorian inventor/industrialist along with the usual suspects. If a class of 9 year old can deal with the name/word and its origin without too much offence then it really does show how innocuous the word has become.

Regards,
Guy

Thomas Crapper isn't the origin of the word, thats an urban myth. It was just his name and he just happened to be big in toilets. Crap is much much older than the man (although I suppose being on the Crapper is down to Thomas).

Cacadore wrote:

Klebert L Hall
''The reason 'crap' is allowed, but not it's synonym is probably because that is also the rule in US broadcast censorship''

The point is if offending British English native speakers matters to you Americans or not? Crap is classed as an offensive word on the BBC.

Well, the board is based in the US… I don't really know what's offensive to people everywhere else. Usually, it pays to accept the local preferences when visiting a foreign place. Why would it be different when visiting a website hosted in a foreign place?
-Kle.

I don't think the dictionary argument is valid at all. I do not habitually use four letter words and would not uses*** but I would use crap. I would also not be surprised if my 12 year old daughter said crap but would be surprised if she said s***.

I would completely disagree that they are words of equivalent offensiveness in the UK. Crap is much less offensive. Equivalent perhaps to balls and less offensive than (as in TMP member Humphreygolden (begins with "b")which I do find slightly offensive as a name!)

(Sorry ran foul of the bleeper which made my post incomprehensible.)

Klebert L Hall,
Toleration? Respect? Meeting half way?

1) I've been accused of 'whinging', yet my posts here clearly ask for equality of treatment only.
2)Some posters think any fuss over a swear word is 'whinging'. But again, my posts here clearly ask for equality of treatment only.
3)Some posters profess to not understanding what being offended is. I can only say that it's hardly the point; bullying using language is part of the human condition and if it's allowed, then the atmosphere alters……(sigh) I only ask for equality of treatment so it's not one-sided.

One poster complains I said 'Bill is parochial'. Which I did not.

While another says it's a US site and it ''pays to accept the local preferences when visiting a foreign place''.. which is an argument for parochialism!

Many opinions. Let's see what the poll says.

Bosta!

Merda!

Porrar!

rsrsrsrs (giggle in portuguese email speak)

All of which roughly equate to saying crap and rarely cause offence even if their literal meaning is a little more indelicate or at least descriptive of bodily function. If you are a Bahia Esporte fan you would think porrar is the club motto, the poor fools utter it just about everytime their players get the ball :-)

Saying rude words is so much fun, especially in the company of prudes.

BTW if you change your name to the portuguese version caçador you avoid all these unpleasant pronunciations (South American spanish speakers don't lisp their 'c's so it's not c ATH adore)

POLL AS AT NOW

According to the poll so far:
British posters form 37+9+1+2 = 49% of respondants.
Of these, the number of UK respondants who believe that the word 'c**p' is offensive in some form (mildly offensive to very offensive) is:

(9+1+2)X 100/49 = 24%

So, 1 in 4 of British posters polled, believe 'c**p' is in some way offensive.

A conservative description of that result, is that the proportion of posters who find the word (less or more) offensive, is significant. You may guess that the result could be comparable to results you from other currently banned terms.

well if you're going to take someone who finds it mildly offensive and lump them in with very offensive you're not going to get any accurate result there are you? 1 in 4 is still a minority and even then it doesn't mean that someone who finds it mildly offensive would then demand it be bleeped. As I said elsewhere, I wouldn't expect a small child to say it, but then I wouldn't expect a small child to be on here.

Perhaps the poll should be 'should crap be bleeped?' with a simple yes or no to avoid any spin on the current results.

"While another says it's a US site and it ''pays to accept the local preferences when visiting a foreign place''.. which is an argument for parochialism!"

so what… it's Bill's freaking site, it's an American site, so coding and grammar and times of the day and a great many other things are going to be American. So if, as you've already admitted, it's acceptable in an American context, why is suddenly not acceptable now?

Or looking at it another way all but 3 of those polled find it either inoffensive or only mildly so. This really is very silly.

oh… and just testing – mierda scheisse merde

sorry everyone – whole can of worms just went everywhere then

Cacadore wrote:

Klebert L Hall,
Toleration?

That would go both ways.

Respect? Meeting half way?

Respect… That sort of feeds into preferential treatment.
Meeting half way I can see.

1) I've been accused of 'whinging', yet my posts here clearly ask for equality of treatment only.
2)Some posters think any fuss over a swear word is 'whinging'. But again, my posts here clearly ask for equality of treatment only.
3)Some posters profess to not understanding what being offended is. I can only say that it's hardly the point; bullying using language is part of the human condition and if it's allowed, then the atmosphere alters……(sigh) I only ask for equality of treatment so it's not one-sided.

I would say that if we censor everything that everybody thinks is offensive, then there will be very little left that we can use in discourse.

I agree that an argument can be made for equality of treatment being a valuable ideal, but I would say that the way to approach that goal would be through no censorship whatsoever. It isn't my call, though.

While another says it's a US site and it ''pays to accept the local preferences when visiting a foreign place''.. which is an argument for parochialism!

That was me. I never complained about purported accusations of parochialism, though. I figure 'when in Rome' is a pragmatic solution.

Many opinions. Let's see what the poll says.

Sure. It won't neccessarily matter though, this site isn't run by popular consent.

I don't really have strong feelings about this issue – I don't object to you asking, but I would also say that if Bill says no, that's his prerogative, since it's his property.

-Kle.

Belgium

Cacadore – If you are really offended, not just fishing, tooting your horn, etc. then when you see the word don;t read the thread.
Kind of like changing the channel or turning the TV off.

This is silly. Sure, you wouldn't say 'crap' in church, or on kiddies TV, but it's commonly used to describe stuff that just isn't very good. It's often used in casual conversation, and is a normal part of British speech.

Yes, third person stuff……. and like '''', it can be used offensively too.

And when it is used offensively against the person, the editor will not support a complaint.

His poll shows that people do get offended by it. So why create a poll at all if you're going to ignore the results?

While even 'S, asteric, aeteric, T' when talking about yourself is deemed offensive on this site.

Hypocracy is alive and well.

While even 'S, asteric, aeteric, T' when talking about yourself is deemed offensive on this site.

Hypocracy is alive and well.

Spelling however is very poorly and not expected to last the night