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Coelacanth193814 Apr 2007 6:20 a.m. PST

If they can reimagine Battlestar Galactica, I can reimagine Space: 1999.

Space: 1999 was the only big science fiction whoop between Star Trek reruns and the first Star Wars movie. It had a great cast, wonderful special effects, but the stories were lousy. Out of all the episodes, I can only think of three that were worth watching (Dragon's Domain, The Infernal Machine, and Mission of the Darians).

If the series could be brought back again, you would first have to consider this: How do you blow the Moon out of Earth orbit and send it on an interstellar journey that makes sense even to a science illiterate audience.

Yeah, I'm talking to you, Kansas.

Space: 1999 is an indirect sequel to another series by the same producers, UFO. That series concerned itself with a secret James Bondian type agency that defended Earth against alien invaders from a dying world who were coming here to harvest humans for spare parts. As the series went on, it was revealed that the aliens were immaterial beings living inside stolen material bodies. The aliens were defeated by the series' end.

I would use that bit of background story for the reimagined pilot episode. So here we go:

Commander Koenig returns to Moonbase Alpha to investigate the mysterious deaths of some astronauts who were training for a top secret interstellar mission to investigate the source of a mysterious signal being beamed directly at Earth. The astronauts died after having the iron component of their hemoglobin being ripped out of their bodies by a magnetic force. Koenig isn't exactly welcomed back at Moonbase Alpha because he was a judge overseeing the controversial court martial of another space explorer (this would dovetail into a remake of the Dragon's Domain episode).

The deaths happened while the astronauts were passing over the Lunar nuclear waste depository where Earth stores all of it's nuclear waste. Koenig and a few others investigate the site. Everything appears to be what it's supposed to be until one of the nuclear waste depository workers tried to drop a pallet of lead containers on Koenig's head. Koenig and friends capture the worker, only to be shocked when the worker seems to explode inside his spacesuit.

After they return to Moonbase Alpha with the body, do they discover that all the iron in the worker's hemoglobin had been ripped out of his body apparently by a magnetic force.

(Just kidding, Kansas.)

Koenig and friends retrace the worker's steps. The nuclear waste depository workers live in an underground habitat that was part of another moonbase that had been used 40 years before as the Lunar headquarters for the alien defense agency. The habitat has a magnetic signature that's identical to one found in the training shuttle the dead astronauts used, and in the spacesuit the dead worker was wearing.

Koenig discovers that that habitat had been used by the defunct alien defense agency as a prison to house and "interrogate" alien prisoners until it was discovered that the real aliens were immaterial energy beings that could transfer into other bodies if they had to.

The magnetic signature is traced, and in the center of the nuclear waste depository, one of the original storage bunkers gives off a very strong reading. After Koenig and friends enter the bunker, they discover that the bunker isn't being used to store nuclear waste. It's being used to store the wreckage of alien invader ships. And someone has been building something out of all the spare parts.

It's an interstellar jump drive that was built with the intention of "jumping" the Earth to the alien's home system where it would be overwhelmed by waiting alien forces. The fuel for the jump is all the nuclear waste surrounding this bunker and the clock is ticking.

Koenig orders that the nuclear waste bunkers be emptied, and the nuclear waste scattered over the Moon's surface. It becomes a race against time.

The alien entity isn't done yet. It takes over another human and it then trashes the main launch pad and hanger by rigging an Eagle to explode on takeoff. It is by this time that it is realised that the alien is only able to possess humans who have the same blood type. One the secondary characters has that blood type and is used as bait to lure out the alien entity. The alien is then destroyed after the secondary character is "deguassed" by using an expedient electromagnet made by running current through a section of floor.

Ever see Howard Hawk's version of The Thing? Or the scene from Forbidden Planet where the Creature from the Id is trying to bust through the forcefield to slaughter everybody? Combine the two images in your head and this is what you'll see.

But just as they kill the alien, the interstellar drive begins to power up and the Moon begins to shake. Then there's a boom, and the Lunar horizon lights up, and the Moon begins to move out of orbit!

We see scenes of huge orbital habitats being torn apart by by gravitic forces, mile high tsunamis devastating Earth, and Moonbase Alpha personnel being squashed down by G-forces.

Then as soon as the Moon leaves Earth orbit and leaves Earth's gravity well, it winks out.

The Moon has become it's own starship. Whenever the Moon is inside the gravitation influence of another celestrial body, the interstellar drive turns itself off. But as soon as the Moon is out of that influence, the interstellar drive comes back online and the Moon randomly jumps to somewhere else. And the Moonbase personnel can't even get close to thing because it's ten times hotter than Chernobyl.

The 3,111 inhabitants of Moonbase Alpha then find themselves on the most fantastic journey in the history of the human race.

Hundvig Fezian14 Apr 2007 8:14 a.m. PST

That's not bad at all, considering the amount of "magic" science needed to justify the situation in the first place.

For another take on the "mobile Luna" idea, have you read Mutineer's Moon by David Weber? Something tells me you'd like Dahak…

Rich

DesertScrb14 Apr 2007 8:58 a.m. PST

But why bother storing all that waste on the moon in the first place?

It costs like $10,000 a pound to get anything into orbit, so it would be cheaper just to bury the waste on Earth.

Even if the cost of launching material into space were much cheaper, why put it in a big, dangerous pile on the moon? Why not just launch it into the sun?

stumer14 Apr 2007 9:09 a.m. PST

I wrote/produced/acted in a play back in 1999 that dealt with the Alphans with the premise of what happened to them after a decade of traveling in space. Check it out here:

link

Beware, it is a parody of most UK based shows. Enjoy!

'Drew

Coelacanth193814 Apr 2007 10:27 a.m. PST

"It costs like $10,000 a pound to get anything into orbit, so it would be cheaper just to bury the waste on Earth."

Well, by the time Moonbase Alpha is built, we can control gravity to a certain extent. So instead of $10,000 a pound, it costs maybe a few dollars to put something into orbit. As for storing the nuclear waste instead of shooting it into the sun, well, I live in Las Vegas and the Yucca Mountain nuclear dump is built so that nuclear waste can be removed and reprocessed into something else as soon as they figure out how to do it *Rolls eyes*

Thanks for the link!!

Space Monkey14 Apr 2007 2:03 p.m. PST

I live in Vegas too… but I'd never heard that 're-use' plan for the Yucca dump site… interesting. I'd guess that it's no more than a story to cauterize the bad PR… and in the end they would much rather just shoot it into the sun.

I like most everything else about your idea though…
Space 1999 (and UFO) were wonderfully strange to me when I was a kid.

Also, Cinemanow has a bunch of episodes of UFO up on their site that are free to watch… sadly, no '1999' episodes yet.

Broadsword14 Apr 2007 3:39 p.m. PST

I watched the entire run of both UFO and Space:1999 when I was, what, 10. Then watched both a few months back. UFO was still fun, but Space:1999 was painful to watch, especially the second season. If you want REAL pain, though, hunt down (or download) THE STARLOST.

Coelacanth193814 Apr 2007 6:02 p.m. PST

Oh lord, I remember the Starlost all too well. Even Space: 1999 had a couple of good episodes ;)
Did you know they're trying to make it into a major motion picture now (look for "Generation Ship")?

Ghazhkull Thraka14 Apr 2007 6:06 p.m. PST

I've thought about the "mobile moon" dilemma myself as well and the answer is simple. Simply have an experimental hyperdrive (mankind's first) be tested on the Moon and due to sabotage it warps the entire moon randomly around the cosmos. Bad science problem solved ;)

CmdrKiley14 Apr 2007 6:29 p.m. PST

Yeah, I sort of thought about a jump gate projector that forms a wormhole in lunar orbit. It's powered by reactors on the dark side of the moon and are fueled from old nuclear waste or something. The reactor goes way out of control and the wormhole is so large the moon is swallowed by it. Every once in a while the reactor, which is so hot no one can touch it, pulses and opens the wormhole again, thus explaining how the moon can travel from system to system each episode.

Coelacanth193814 Apr 2007 10:02 p.m. PST

I was looking at the Starlost tribute page…
snowcrest.net/fox/star.html
Checking out the Ark model when I noticed something…
link
Are those Eagles docked to the Ark model?
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Personal logo Dances With Words Supporting Member of TMP Fezian14 Apr 2007 11:42 p.m. PST

Yes, those are 'mini-eagles' from Moonbase Alpha kit in those images…and a lot of the other 'greeblies' are from tank kits and I recognize a bunch of bits from the larger Gemini capsule 'equipment' sexctions…1/48th? scale model…fuel cell equip and oxy/hydrogen tanks…etc…among other bits…but hey, it works! They'd have to have some sort of 'shuttles' etc…for outside work and more…and the Eagle…for OFF-earth work…would be the idea 'space workhorse'…like the old DC-3…not so sure it could handle atmo to/from…but what do I know…

There was a page in STARLOG somewhere along the line that showed an 'early' version of Space:1999 when they were debating it as 'UFO 2'…and the helmets were 'different' that UFO or 1999. more 2001-ish and the 'eagles nosecones were more 'wedgelike' as were the 'outrigger pods with landing gear' etc…I've NEVER been able to find that photo again…but PARTS of that concept carried over into 1999…

Such as the Mark 9 Hawks were 'designed' to replace the Shado inerceptors…etc and Alpha replaced the 'secret'/more exposed MOONBASE…? but the backstory was that the 'alien attacks' mysteriously stopped…so the Hawk program was Halted…and though Moonbase Alpha was supposed to ahve a hawk base/silo/a couple based there…that didn't happen and the were destroyed when Centauri Space Dock exploded when the moon ripped out of orbit…

Even with their GRAVITY 'screwns'…supposedly the EXPLOSING/with slightly longer 'fusion burnoff'? of waste dump 2….subjected moon to a 10-G accelleration…(which sorta boggles the mind in itself)…

and the moon acheived a 'significant portion of speed of light'…(which would bring the 'time-dialation' effect into play to some extent.

They couldn't get back to 'earth'…because it was impossible for the eagles to slow down enough and still have fuel to return with staff left on base.

Later, Victor Bergman came up with 'gravity screen/inertial diamening system' for eagles that allowed them to 'travel much faster/farther….with range of abuut 18 BILLION miles round-trip!!!

Yes, the moon should have just 'shattered' or everyone pulped by sudden accelleration…or moon fallen into earth or just gone 'boom'…

But this is SCIFI…and 'wormhole' concept makes more sense…triggered by gravitaional wells and that…but you'd have to be 'careful or you could get 'left behind'…if you spent too much time off-world…both physiclaly and TIME-wise???

Besides…the chances of falling into a sun or other major gravitational well would higher than passing by 'habitable planets'…etc…but again…it is scifi.

Bringers of Wonder was made into 'Destination:Moonbase Alpha' and the year was given as 2150? or something…rather than 1999…and considering the tefh…I think that more realistic than 1999…(even back in 1975 when it was made)…

Still, it had it's good points and bad…plot, special effects, acting/lack of acting…but the ships…mostly…were 'cool'…the Eagle…Swift and SuperSwift….(even the Altares…from Day after Tormorrow 'movie' was originally DESIGNED for 1999!!!)…

I need to find or make some 'savage worlds' character sheets for using 1999 characters in Savage Worlds system…they've done trek, starwars and serenit…even Call of Cthullu and about everything else…why not 1999???

Kitbashing figures for 2nd season uniforms…I've already DONE!

Carpe' Lunarium!
Sgt DWW-bartentacle in Space…

Broadsword15 Apr 2007 7:58 p.m. PST

Eagles they be! Good eyes, both of you!

I really liked the ideas behind THE STARLOST, and thought it was pretty cool when I was 8, but 33 years later it's just bad in a MST3K kind of way. Someone bundled 10 of the 16 episodes into 5 movies which are still available on eBay (both VHS and "DVD") and there was a guy selling the missing 6 episodes on home video as well.

Read the book: "Phoenix Without Ashes" by Harlin Ellison.
Hunt through Amazon or eBay for a copy.

And it seems the movie "Generation Ship" was in pre-production and "on hold" since 2000. link

On to the reimaged Space: 1999 – a wonky jumpdrive plays better in my warped little mind than exploding nuclear waste. Throw in some angry, oversized wildlife and SciFi Channel would pick this up in a heartbeat. They have to have SOMETHING to replace SG1, right? ;)

Farstar15 Apr 2007 8:28 p.m. PST

The idea of the nuclear waste could still work, if you assumed it was actually the decommissioned reactor of the old UFO base, not stuff brought up from Earth.

Alternately (or as the 'gotcha' for a season ender) the mysterious drive is really a matter conversion drive, and the high-powered reactor fuel is just the kick-start. Normal operations work off of the substance of the Moon itself. Once this is discovered, the clock starts to tick as the Moon itself is slowly devoured.

Hundvig Fezian18 Apr 2007 8:20 a.m. PST

The "shoot the reactor waste into the sun or deep space" thing is a popular idea, but by the time we have the tech for it to be practical there might be reasons not to do so. After all, once you dump the stuff, you're not getting it back, ever. If new science finds any constructive use for it at all, you might very well want to keep it around…in which case stockpiling it on Luna is fairly sensible. It's not going to hurt anyone up there, and it's not going to have to worry about stable orbits like a artificial satellite would.

Just saying, is all…

Cacique Caribe18 Apr 2007 8:56 a.m. PST

Coelacanth1938,

Sorry. And here I thought I was being original with the topic:

TMP link

I don't know how I could have missed your thread.

CC

Coelacanth193818 Apr 2007 7:03 p.m. PST

Oh, don't worry. It's nice to see someone else with the same idea :)

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