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Scurvy31 Mar 2007 3:58 p.m. PST

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too grudammed cool for words. there is a link on the page that leads to pics of the MkII version as well.

I wonder if one of the chappies that can make paper models will have a shot at this bad boy.

MelEbbles31 Mar 2007 4:09 p.m. PST

I've got something like that in one of my sketchbooks. I just couldn't figure out what to do with it on the table! grin

-Mel

aecurtis Fezian31 Mar 2007 4:15 p.m. PST

Here's the steampunk version:

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Allen

Scurvy31 Mar 2007 4:44 p.m. PST

Alexbates lives in fairbanks where the MkII is located. I wonder if I can badger him into heading over to where it is and taking some pics.

Boone Doggle31 Mar 2007 5:23 p.m. PST

It was tested in 1962 but

"but by the time it was completed, the Cold War was over, and there was no need for the train."

That's one long development program.

Scurvy31 Mar 2007 7:43 p.m. PST

I suspect that info is a bit wikkiman

aecurtis Fezian31 Mar 2007 10:47 p.m. PST

OK, I'm going to try this again, after losing the entire post in the TMP maintenance session…

Actually, Wikipedia indicates that it was the war in Vietnam firing up, rather than the Cold War ending, that led to the end of the program:

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DTIC has a couple of test-related reports from 1964 and 1965, but none later, so that fits.

The Wiki article would indicate that it's the LCC-1 in Fairbanks, and the Mark II at Yuma. I can try to get down the road to Yuma one of these datys, and take more pictures. The museum archive may have more photos, too; in the meantime…

This item is from a dead page, but it was cached:
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TECHNOLOGY HISTORY: The Overland Train

America in the two decades after the end of World War II was a different place than it is now. The US ended the conflict stronger than ever, while the major competitors had all but bled to death, and many Americans could feel without any self-consciousness that their nation was a "colossus astride the globe". They thought in big terms and took on projects of unbelievable scale. Some, like the Apollo manned Moon program, they astoundingly pulled off. Not too surprisingly, many others didn't work out so well.

As a case in point, consider the US Army's Overland Train Mark II, almost without doubt the biggest off-road vehicle ever built. It consisted of an oversized three-axle / six wheel control rig, linked to twelve four-wheel cars in a train. It was twice as wide as an ordinary highway freight hauler rig, with a length of 175 meters (572 feet), and with 54 tires all 3 meters tall and 1.2 meters wide (10 x 4 feet). The control rig did not pull the cars. They were all self-powered, with each wheel driven by its own electric motor. The maximum speed of the entire rig was 32 KPH (20 MPH). It looked like something Luke Skywalker might have encountered in the deserts of the planet Tatooine.

The Overland Train was built by the Robert G. LeTourneau Company of Longview, Texas. LeTourneau began his career as an earth-moving contractor, working on large civil engineering projects. In 1924 he went into the business of building his own earth moving machinery. His business turned into an international success. At first, his earth-moving machines used steel wheels on the job, with interchangeable rubber wheels for highway transit. More or less by accident, LeTourneau discovered that the rubber wheels were actually more effective all around. He then started to think about fitting electric motors in each wheel.

World War II came along and the LeTourneau company went into full gear building heavy earth moving equipment for the military. It is estimated that two-thirds of the earth movers built by the US during the war was manufactured by LeTourneau; it is worthwhile to remember in this context that General Dwight Eisenhower said the bulldozer was one of the four primary tools for winning the war, along with the landing craft, the 6x6 truck, and the Douglas DC-3 transport aircraft. The idea of developing earth moving machines with self-powered wheels had to be put aside for the time being.

In 1953, LeTourneau sold off most of his operation to Westinghouse Air Brake. He retained two factories, but the sale agreement restricted him from building earthmoving machinery in competition with Westinghouse for five years. He turned to development of such items as log stackers and missile transporters. When he heard that the US Army was interested in obtaining a large ground transport to resupply the radar stations of the Distant Early Warning Network in the far north, he got in touch with the Army and discussed ideas.

The US Army Transportation Command came up with specifications, and in 1955 the LeTourneau plant in Longview, Texas, produced the "LCC-1" prototype to meet them. It consisted of a four-wheel control vehicle linked to three four-wheel cars, with a total length of 53 meters (174 feet). All the sixteen 3 x 1.2 meter (10 x 4 feet) wheels were self-powered. The control vehicle had two articulated compartments, including a heated driving / living compartment in front that could accommodate three crew, and a rear engineering compartment with a 450 kW (600 HP) diesel engine, electric generators, fuel tank, plus a crane to help deal with wheel changes and linking or unlinking cars.

The LCC-1 was evaluated on sand dunes and snowdrifts, and shipped to Greenland for severe arctic testing as the "Sno Train". All went well, paving the way for development of the Overland Train Mark II. Its general configuration was along the lines of the LCC-1, but along with an improved control car, with accommodations for six crew, it had ten cargo cars and two power generator cars fitted with gas turbine engines. It could be handled by a single driver, with the cars all following the control vehicle to turn when they came to the same spot.

The Overland Train was evaluated intensively in the early 1960s. It did well in the evaluations, but then the Army got cold feet. Money was short, the Overland Train promised to be expensive, and the Army didn't have a cadre of mechanics who could maintain the thing properly. The program was abandoned. Apparently most or all of the hardware was junked. LeTourneau still builds giant machines with individually driven wheels, but nothing exactly on the scale of the Overland Train.

"Big Wheels" by Charles W. Eberling, INVENTION & TECHNOLOGY, Winter 2001, 28:31.
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See Photo #10 and accompanying comment for a period color photo of the LCC-1:

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This Russian site has some photos not seen elsewere (and some misidentified photos):

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The cool rear shot is attributed to bigfoot4x4.com, but I can't find it on the current version of the Bigfoot site.

Two threads with lots of Gucci photos (including period ones) here:

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This movie clip won't display for me, but as you're a digital video whiz now, I'm sure you'll figure it out:

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And here's the Mark II (top) and the Sno-Freighter, with one of the posts further down including a link to an eBay auction for an original LeTourneau Sno-Freighter brochure:

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Yeah, you got me going. I'm interested in this especially because every now and then we're involved in moving pieces of LeTourneau equipment.

Allen

aecurtis Fezian31 Mar 2007 10:57 p.m. PST

Also see:

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(Last two photos)

It's interesting to note also that in WWII, all US aircraft carriers were equipped with LeTourneau crash cranes:

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Allen

Grinning Norm31 Mar 2007 11:38 p.m. PST

That's one ugly piece of sheet.

But highly scifiable.

aecurtis Fezian01 Apr 2007 6:54 a.m. PST

The Overland Train only gets a mention here, but if you want scifiable tanks:

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Show of hands: who else had a model of the Convair "Pogo" when they were a kid?

Allen

Scurvy01 Apr 2007 7:20 a.m. PST

Crivens, you have excelled yourself here Al! You gotta go check this thing out in the flesh if you are only down the track a bit from it. You gotta take lots of snaps as well while you are there. Have a shot at getting into the interior of the beast as well if you do go. When Im back at school and can access broadband net I will grab that film and turn it into a win media or quicktime for you.

Xintao01 Apr 2007 10:28 a.m. PST

I seem to recall seeing a show on the monster truck Big Foot. The owner got a set of tires from the Mark I train and put them on Big Foot.

Ah, found it. Check out the pics

bigfoot4x4.com/bf5.html

Xintao01 Apr 2007 10:30 a.m. PST

More Big Foot w/ tire pics here, and pics of the Mark I train

bigfoot4x4.com/more5.html

aecurtis Fezian01 Apr 2007 12:13 p.m. PST

Good! You had better success navigating that site than I did!

Allen

Alxbates02 Apr 2007 1:16 a.m. PST

[q]Alexbates lives in fairbanks where the MkII is located. I wonder if I can badger him into heading over to where it is and taking some pics.[/q]

I can occasionally be badgered. Where exactly is the second one located? Alyeska (pipeline) property somewhere, I presume?

-Alex

Alxbates02 Apr 2007 1:19 a.m. PST

"It sets now in a salvage yard right behind FT. Wainwright"

Hmmm… well, that's a large area to cover, but it probably means it's somewhere off of Badger Road (not that that means much to ya'll). I'll wander over there sometime after the snow melts. Remind me in a month!

-Alex

blackscribe02 Apr 2007 12:09 p.m. PST

Wow! A diesel motor that provides DC power to a motor on each wheel -- an idea well ahead of its time.

crow hq02 Apr 2007 4:26 p.m. PST

Anyone else hearing the distant rumble of Amtrak Wars Wagon Trains…..?

Now we know where they got the idea!

Spectacle03 Apr 2007 1:34 a.m. PST

This thing seems like it would be usefull for transporting goods between scattered colonies on Mars.

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