"Terrorist attack in Russia" Topic

I wonder who did it. This is always sad.

Subject: R A W S A L E R T S on X: "🚨#UPDATE: At least 40+ people have been killed, with at least over 100 wounded following a reported terrorist attack in Crocus city hall in Moscow t.co/fxdWwXjHo6 / X


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Guess your 2nd link got taken down already OVI?

…and now your 1st one has as well.

Before that video was taken down it really looked like one of the Tango's had a flame thrower?

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As you sow, so shall you reap.

Staged attack by Putin to rally people together before mobilizing for the war on Ukraine.

The police will find "evidence " that the attacked was conducted by Ukraine. People will get upset and mobilizing men for the war will become easier.

It is conpletely fabricated as we all know. Typical Russian behavior. Just like the staged bomb attack that was the reason for one of the wars against chechnya.

Sad, that a gocernment commits massmurder against its own people. But, ordinary russian behavior.

Careful gents. I got my post deleted for stating what a lot of us are probably thinking.

Chechen or other radical Islamic action would be my first thought. My second is false flag which says rather more about Russia under Putin than I think it does about me.

Ukraine, radical nationalists or otherwise, are way down the list alongside the International LGBQT Movement…

Anyone take a bet that Ukraine gets the blame?

I almost feel sorry for you people.

"The police will find "evidence " that the attacked was conducted by Ukraine. People will get upset and mobilizing men for the war will become easier".

Dont people say the same about 9/11? How do you feel about that?

I "feel" that George Bush was/is not Vlad The Impaler!

This is, by all current reports, the work of highly trained, perfectly well equipped, Special Forces types such as the Russian Security services have for just such operations.

The timing is what gives it away. Big "win" at the polls, and now the icing on the cake--an attack to terrify the average Russki on the streets and make them ready for mass mobilization and prep for a full on war with the West.

This time, mobilization will include St. Petersburg and Moscow Oblasts--Russians Prime will be called up to fight in Ukraine, with enough left over to post to NATO's borders.

Today, that remora sucking on Putin's scales, Peskov, made it official--Russia is at WAR. No more "SMO," and not even merely an admission of the obvious, but a psychological as well as political move to fully mobilize the populace to the new reality. Namely, that Putin has gone into full bore, Thousand Year Reich, Master Race, make or break, emergency over boost gear that is going to give him everything he wants, and the world be damned.

This is not Putin's first "Reichstag Fire," and it won't be his last, so long as they continue to give him the leverage to move Mother-Effing-Russia as if it were the only queen on a chess board of pawns.

It's long past time for the rest of the world to pull its head from under the covers. This boogyman is NOT going away until he's PUT away.

TVAG

I ask my self, what is wrong with a person that can watch defenceless people be murdered in cold blood on mass, then jump on the internet and start spouting. Then I remember where I am.

No such false flag has been required by Putin. He could have used the Belgorod attacks or he could have publicised more the western weapons used in such attacks on Russia if he wished to use any excuse.
"Careful gents. I got my post deleted for stating what a lot of us are probably thinking".

I rather think the other post was deleted because it was sick and Bill is a decent human being.

Like the defenseless Ukrainians the Russians have murdered?

2 possible attackers. But been listening to the band videos, I like the sound.

ISIS claiming responsibility and they hate everyone…

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I think I'll wait for a while to make any judgements. I'm sure the Russians will blame Ukrainians, Ukrainians will blame Russians.

A friend sent me a link where Chechens are being blamed. Seems to have hallmarks of some of their previous attacks.

Interestingly Princess Kate seems to be playing ahead of this story.

Actually just heard Isis is claiming credit now.

"The police will find "evidence " that the attacked was conducted by Ukraine. People will get upset and mobilizing men for the war will become easier".

Dont people say the same about 9/11? How do you feel about that?

Didn't really notice the US and its allies having to mobilise any of the general population to conduct The War Against Terror. Also noticeable just how much difference of opinion was tolerated within Western countries and the fact that none of those voicing such opinions ended up in jail for them or indeed fell out of a window or were brutally shot to death in muggings. No doubt some were picked up on public order issues may be but actual criticism of the conflict was never in itself illegal.

Wait a minute, why is Crocus City Hall spelled out in English?

Subject: ISIS claims responsibility in deadly attack on Russia's Crocus City Hall – ABC News


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"ISIS took responsibility for the terrorist attack, saying in a statement that they attacked "a large gathering of Christians," causing hundreds of casualties before fleeing the scene.

The U.S. Intelligence Community collected intelligence in March indicating that a branch of ISIS was planning a terrorist attack in Moscow, which led to the U.S. State Department issuing a warning earlier this month urging Americans to avoid large crowd.

"ISIS-K has been fixated on Russia for the past two years," Colin P. Clarke, a counterterrorism analyst at the Soufan Group, told The New York Times, noting that the terrorist group has focused on attacking Putin in propaganda videos. "ISIS-K accuses the Kremlin of having Muslim blood in its hands, referencing Moscow's interventions in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria.""

Interesting that they never attack China who has been persecuting Muslims for quite a while. But I guess it's hard for them to hide there. I guess they are discriminating in who they punish for "having Muslim blood on their hands", or maybe China is just too dangerous for them.

Subject: 40+ Dead, 140+ Injured In Islamic Terrorist Attack In Russia | The Daily Wire


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Swingfire were you one of the members (i think you are) who were crying about the Palestinians celebrating 9/11?

Silly sausage.

Dragon and another poster are right. isiss claimed responsibility. The USA warned the Russians of the attack a few weeks ago. The intelligence even listed a high possibility that it would be a concert hall.

Did the Russians want it to happen for propaganda.

Then I remember where I am.

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Palestinians celebrating 9/11?

I like many others have seen the footage. It was no surprise as they knew of the USA's strong support for Israel. That was a common thread running thru a number of moslem nations. And still is for some.

isiss claimed responsibility.

IMO ISIS or another islamic terrorist group would have been my first choice as all the usual suspects. The US still has troops in Syria and Iraq hunting down these ISIS savages.

However, ISIS-K is alive and well in A'stan. They and the Taliban plus their BFF AQ try to kill one another on occasion. But yes they would not pass up a chance to kill some Christian Infidels. With Easter coming up soon.

Did the Russians want it to happen for propaganda.

Never let a crisis go to waste. If the USA did warn Russia, they may have taken our intel with little veracity. Former KGB Putin and is staff, etc. may not trust the USA. That would be no surprise, of course.

Typically, ISIS terrorists do not leave the scene of the crime, but engage in battle with the police and go to the Gurias…

It is too early to say who is the culprit of the terrorist attack. But if the Russian special services were trying to stage a provocation, they would most likely use people of Slavic appearance to stage it.

Ukrainians are unlikely, they already have a lot of problems. But the intelligence services of one of the Western countries is quite possible (France?). Isn't this a provocation of a nuclear "retaliation" strike from Russia and NATO's entry into the war as a result? But it is too early to build serious versions – too many parties may be interested. And there is not enough information.

One thing can be said – the terrorist attack was perfectly organized.

ISIS admitted responsibility for the attack.

There is plenty of footage of the Palestinians celebrating 9/11 and October 7th last year.

Looks to be ISL/ ISIS and it appears arrests have been made, strange as Cuprum mentions generally they dont like to be taken alive,

Tally Ho!

Yes, according to official reports, four militants who shot and seven of their accomplices were detained. The militants were heading towards the Ukrainian border. The militants were rumored to have passports of Uzbek citizens in their hands.

As for anonymous statements on the Internet on behalf of ISIS, it is not yet a fact that they were made by ISIS, and not by those who cover their tracks in this way.

14Bore – the group "Picnic" makes good music…
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mjkerner – because Russia does not "cancel" any other culture, much less the most widespread language of interethnic communication.

TimePortal – during the election period there was strengthening of anti-terrorist protection. But after the elections, the level of preparedness was reduced. It would be logical to assume that if a terrorist attack is planned, it will be carried out precisely at the time of the elections. Agree, the media effect would be significantly greater. Here the terrorists "outplayed" the intelligence services.

How convenient . A few days after the "election" and talks about mobilization there is a terrorist attack. Even better, the attackers flee afterwards in the car the arrived in. They keep the car and drive towards Ukraine…

So keeping a car which must surely be the most sought after car in evil empire. AND driving towards an area that is full of Russian army…

So a perfectly executed terroristattack, that the might of the Russian security service failed to detect and then the most botched escape attempt known to man…

Of course the Russians will believe this. It makes perfect sense for Russians. The evil "west" did this through their proxy Ukraine…

Now the mobilization will be much easier to accomplish. After all who does not want to protect "the motherland" against terrorists…

It all reminds me of a very badly scripted movie. Only for internal consumption in russia, as no one else will believe it. but that does not matter as long as the Russians believe it. Ot they won't but that does not matter as truth and lie is basically the same thing in russia.

Why do you start making excuses even before you have been accused of something? :-)

I wonder what you would say if such a terrorist attack occurred in Kyiv? I think everyone can guess here.

The Russians themselves have been shelling their cities for years, the Russians themselves are blowing up their gas pipelines, the Russians themselves are organizing terrorist attacks on their territory… And there are those who believe in this nonsense…

And Ukraine has been engaged in open terrorism for a long time, although they have not carried out terrorist attacks of this scale before. But they openly threatened:

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"And Ukraine has been engaged in open terrorism for a long time"

Funny way to describe the actions of a country defending itself against a fascist invader, who daily fire missiles into cities.

TBH I am not sorry about this attack, can't think of a country who deserves it more,

Tally Ho!

Subject: Re: R A W S A L E R T S on X: "🚨#UPDATE: A t least 40+ people have been killed, with at least ove r 100 wounded following a reported terrorist attack i n Crocus city hall in Moscow t.co/fxdWwXjHo6 / X

On the video, at the 21 second mark, the terrorist with ball cap on pulls out from his back pack what seems to be a flame thrower.

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Read all the contradictory statements of responsibility, capture, non-capture, that all sides are leveling and claiming.

I still think I buy Muslims. Why? Because it's their idiom.

Subject: Russia Announces 11 Arrests After Moscow Concert Hall Terror Attack


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It does looks like one of them had a flamethrower.

They appear to have arrested the perpetrators.

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Now I am starting to worry this will be spin doctored how Moscow wants the narrative to play out for nefarious purposes…

Hold a blowtorch to someones genitals they will say exactly what you want them to say and while I have no proof that is happening I would not be surprised if the prisoners have a scripted narrative they are being forced to read.

According to the latest data, 133 people died. Many suffocated in the smoke from the fire that resulted from the arson, trying to hide in various rooms of the attacked building. The search for the victims continues.

Dragon Gunner, I won't be surprised that the Ukrainian special services have moved from individual terror against civilians to mass terrorism.

Judging by the first interrogations of the terrorists, which were posted online, this terrorist attack was carried out by random people hired for money (if you believe them, of course). At least one of them was hired through the Internet channel of a Muslim preacher. Money, weapons and transport were provided to them by unknown persons. He transferred half of the money for carrying out the terrorist act in advance.
So far there is not a word about the Ukrainian trace.

As soon as I heard it was a music venue, I thought Islamic terrorist were behind it. It's been years since I last attended a major music event and I have more reasons then ever not to go to one this summer. With our open borders, it's only a matter of time before these b***** hit in the USA.

Interestingly, one of the spectators managed to take the machine gun from the terrorist while reloading, knocking him out and leading a large group of civilians out of the building.

This aggression from Ukraine against Russia cannot go unpunished! Maybe Russia could assemble its armed forces and punish Ukraine. Not go to war but maybe call it a "special military operation "?

A multi pronged attack might work?

Russia could drive on Kiev in a surprise attack?

Could work ROFL…

Seriously, what can Russia do it has not already done? Murder, torture and rape? Been there, done that. Terror missile strikes? Done it for years.

Short of using nukes Russia cant do sxxt.

"Dragon Gunner, I won't be surprised that the Ukrainian special services have moved from individual terror against civilians to mass terrorism"

Like Russia has been doing for the past 10 years,

Tally Ho!

Exactly nick. I really doubt UKR was behind this, but if they were good on them. They've got some catching up to do.

My concern is this will be spun as an attack by, "The West"…

An excuse to expand the war or use nukes.

I don't think even Puntin is foolish enough to look at expanding the war at this time. He can't deal with Ukraine let alone anyone else?

From the report on CCN I saw this morning :

ISIS claims responsibility. But Putin still blames the Ukraine …

The US warned Putin a couple of weeks ago that there may be a terrorist attack. But Putin just thought it is more about politics, etc. in the US. And of course, Putin does not trust the Americans.

ISIS-K/ISIS, like many radical militant islamic terrorists, are still upset with what the Russians did to moslems during the Chechenia Conflict. As well as the Russian occupation of A'stan decades ago.

The terrorists used AK-47s and killed or wounded many. Also, some kind of gas ? to poison and kill some of the victims. I'm still awaiting more intel on all of this.

Note: At the beginning of the war, I remember seeing footage of moslems(from Chechenia?) fighting along the Ukrainian combatting Russians. I don't know how many of them were or are now in Ukraine? But again, they both hate the Russians for obvious reasons.

AFAIK some/all of the moslem terrorists, were arrested heading for Ukraine's border. Still more intel needed …

As I have said before, the first report is always wrong. Plus, Putin/the Russians are very rarely forthcoming with facts/the truth. But more like propaganda …

Again, Putin, like many others in politics, etc., knows to never let a crisis go to waste. Regardless of the truth. He will push the narrative that Ukraine was involved somehow in some way. As it fits his agenda to fuel his war on Ukraine.

With our open borders, it's only a matter of time before these b***** hit in the USA.

Yes moslem terrorist e.g. ISIS, AQ, etc. have used A'stan as a training ground again. And threatened to start attacking the West and now it appears the East too. After all both are full of infidels.

With the US gov't sanctioned open borders many, many more on the terrorist watchlist, or suspected/known islamic terrorists, etc. have crossed into the USA. It probably is only a matter of time before a terrorist attack(s) will occur in the USA again. IIRC in the past 3+ years over 200+(?) islamic terrorists have crossed into the US with the open border. Many more than ever before. In reality we don't know how many got-aways are moslem terrorists. And are roaming the US unknown and unchecked.

They don't have to crash planes into buildings, build bombs, IEDs, booby traps, etc. All they have to do is steal or rent a truck then run over the people on the street.

I do hope the Russians actually catch the terrorists. And "take care" of these vermin. I also hope they don't just grab moslems off the street and say they are the terrorists that did this heinous act. For their population's consumption.

I'm sure it will be spun into the Russia is 'victim' of Western 'aggression' narrative.

I very much doubt Ukraine is getting into the business of actual terrorism. Aside from a couple of assassinations which still don't make a whole lot of sense everything else has been pretty much carefully targeted sabotage. They have too much skin in the geopolitical game to risk credit on a mass civilian casualty event – which gets them exactly nothing. Arguably Ukraine wants to keep the Russian population as either politically disengaged (perhaps somewhat ironically), just as Putin likes them, or actively against him.

And the FSB apparently claimed to have foiled a planned ISIS attacked earlier in the month. So it would appear they are operating in Russia.
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Chechnya, Syria, Ingushetia, the Azerbaijan-Armenian conflict and a history of Muslim repression in the various Stans during the Soviet era as well as their Afghan invasion (and keep in mind, the claimant is ISIS-K the Afghan branch of ISIS) all point to a rich opportunity for ISIS irritation with Russia.

It would be highly unlikely that Ukraine would risk international support as well as expend limited resources on senseless terror when Russian incompetence still offers excellent opportunities to use those resources on the Black Sea fleet, refineries and bomber bases.

Also worth mentioning, the captured attacker speaking on Russian TV is a Tajik.

Subject: Moscow concert hall attack: Why is ISIL targeting Russia? | ISIL/ISIS News | Al Jazeera


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the captured attacker speaking on Russian TV is a Tajik

Toss up as to genuine or a 'usual suspect'. Regardless of what some may say Russia is a loooong way off being some kind of rainbow nation.

Peter Zeihan calling out Russian incompetence – with an excellent bit of under statement at ISIS-K
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The perpetrators of the terrorist attack and their accomplices were detained.
The detention was "tough"; the terrorists tried to escape, but were fired upon. The car with the terrorists overturned. Two of them were wounded, one later died. The other two tried to hide in the forest, but were overtaken. All detained terrorists who directly took part in the execution of people (except for the wounded) were interrogated immediately while being recorded on video. The surviving wounded terrorist was questioned in the hospital after the operation.

No one has officially accused Ukraine yet.
Photos of alleged terrorists with an ISIS flag in the background were found online. The clothes of two of them match those of the detainees, which suggests that the photo is genuine.

Legion 4, 28 thousand Chechens sent to the Ukrainian front. Of these, 13 thousand are volunteers. By the way, Chechen police special forces took part in the capture of the terrorists from Crocus City.