"Dr Who! Or is it?" Topic

Watched a new who vid, nerdrotic?

Nice to see someone really giving the ultra modern tat (if not the modern tat in general) the right slapping it deserves.

As I previously hinted at, all too lightly apparently, there is major funny flag waving going on there, both in front of and behind the cameras. As if the viewers couldn't tell.

This show has nothing to do with Doctor Who. Like I've said before, Dr Who has become like National Lampoon, it's just a trademark you can stick on any old rubbish.

I remember there was a not who movie made in the 90s? With not the sixth doctor and Peri, but the same actors in the same type of show. Coincidentally, of course, it was made by who fans.

It would be nice to see, ala exitor? (The more recent trek fan film), a not at all dr who series, perhaps with some original classic cast, maybe Paul McGann, and continue as a scifi series that's not about what people do in the bedroom, nor "some west African frogs" (talking about amphibians) -thank you Dr Grant.

The series could develop and continue much as the not who New Adventures virgin? books did, only for hopefully longer.

It would most likely get better ratings than current Dr Wno, especially if you put in some actors and personalities who have been speaking out for common sense recently. Although that probably not the point.

You could then buy the Dr Who trademark, just like RTD-, well, RTD!

If you could let get Jamie back (I have heard nothing to suggest contrary) you could bluff the BBC with his kilt! They'll probably pay lots of money to have show made!

Fortunately, the original Doctor Who is available in its entirety (not counting lost episodes) on Tubi, for free. So you can enjoy the great Doctors of the early era (I'm currently enjoying Tom Baker) and not bother with whatever they're putting out now. (And I say that while being a fan of the David Tennant and Matthew Smith Doctors, too).

Where do you watch these fan films?

We are talking about fan films right?

Found this one, have not watched it yet.
YouTube link

Watched Dr Who since 1970. Stopped when the female Who emerged and then the past life's thread. Never watched the new guy.

I think the videos made some years ago, to which you allude, were made before Big Finish got a licence to do actual Doctor Who, copyright was tiptoed around. I recall Colin Baker played a character called "The Stranger". Other familiar faces were involved.
Nothing like that is going to happen, they were just temporary and ultimately unsatisfying substitutes.

Its a total fantasy to imagine there could be some sort of licenced parallel series for dissenters.Fan films , to judge by what Ive seen of Star Trek ones, are enthusiastic but rarely have the budget and talent you'd want to see. "Star Trek Continues" is one of the exceptions.

And I wouldnt take New Adventures as a template… some of those were complex Gallifrey obsessed story arcs that you couldn't follow unless you'd read the previous five books.
Not very accessible to a new audience.

Your personal views on 2005 onwards are well known, and you might indeed fine some kindred spirits on You Tube.

One might reflect on how even the classic series evolved hugely, and each era was a product of its time.
There were vociferous haters even then wailing that Doctor Who was ruined because we were shown too much of the Time Lords in The Deadly Assassin.
Ive watched and enjoyed a lot of classic series since they put it all on BBC IPlayer, and there are some dreadful stories across all eras
Old and New, bits I like, bits I dont.

I started watching as a child (1st Dr). For all Drs there were good and bad stories. I think reimagining the whole Dr story (origins via Jodie's Dr) was sufficient for me to realise that my time as a fan had past. I presume that a series should be designed to be profitable for its makers. That is, for tv shows to have large enough customer bases to bring in money. To do this surely you need to sell/produce a product that is desired by many. If what is now Dr Who is not delivering; change it or end it seem the only options. The starting era who could probably be equaled by Fan Films of today. I doubt they would be popular.

"Its a total fantasy to imagine there could be some sort of licenced parallel series for dissenters"

Licensed or unlicensed.

You could probably wrangle the Daleks?

Or even adapt the vergin not who books.

Or less. Eg. Paul McGann in a science lab. "Hey Paul, what are you making?" "Oh, I'm very inventive." "What is that?" "A new blue paint, impervious to death rays" "What??" Cue space ship blowing up building. Only survivor? A man, not Paul McGann, covered in blue paint.

No who there at all, but fans can make up their own backstory. And the scif story goes on…

Think casino Royale and never say never again also.

Ace and the sontarons is another I just thought of, 80-90s.

I'm sure there are examples of off licence shows.

Even augmenting a similar propery, like the not 007 bulldog Drummonds in the 60s. Which are still very good.

Plenty of options.

"One might reflect on how even the classic series evolved hugely"

To many timelords is one thing, today is on an entirely other level.

I don't think many parents were concerned if their kids said they wanted to be a timelord.

I don't remember anything about the government, schools, doctors (no relation), what have you, promoting the idea much either.

No comparison.

The problem, for me, is that comparing modern Who with original Who just shows the loss of quality today. Regardless of who plays Who (!), the stories just don't grab me the same. It's not just nostalgia either, even watching original episodes now they seem to me better than the newer versions. Give the first tranche actors ('63-'89) the same scripts as the new (post 2005) ones have had and I still don't see them as being watchable. I watched some of the first 3 doctors in the newer series but foind myself going back to the originals.

I think the videos made some years ago, to which you allude, were made before Big Finish got a licence to do actual Doctor Who, copyright was tiptoed around. I recall Colin Baker played a character called "The Stranger". Other familiar faces were involved.

There was one involving The Brigadier and an old companion (Jo ??
Tegn?? Peri ??) and a lot of Yetis that I vaguely recall. Timeslip? Timeshock? Something like that (or completely different!).

Not an expert, I only looked at the video cases in WH Smiths! There was one with Autons too.
Those 1990's videos pushed it as far as they could but were no more than gap fillers when no actual Doctor Who was happening.

You definitely can NOT take liberties with the IP of Daleks.. both the BBC and the estate of Terry Nation are very protective.

The only not licenced visual efforts you'll see are short fan films, falling within a narrow tolerated area and definitely not for commercial gain.
For audio however you do have an alternative with Big Finish which is I presume licenced, and whose output has been so huge Ive never been able to get into it.But I get the impression its more "traditional".

It was something completely different!

Downtime: link

It's "almost official" and they did use a number of Dr Who cast (and monsters!) in their original roles with permission from the BBC.

I agree the classic is actually watchable. The modern stuff is just flash in the pan rush, rush, gabble, gabble, stories. Not to mention the shameless funny flag waving.

It was a kids show that developed into a family show, then for easily excitable non-fans in the modern tat, but is now a show for adults only, of a certain persuasion.

On the not who's, you have to look for
IP the BBC doesn't own. If there is any left.

The sontarons were only half owned by them, the visuals, I think. I think the Ace video (or is that Sophie?) has a different look. Or the other way around??

Daleks could be got from the nation estate, perhaps.

All the virgin characters were already used post licence, so could be got.

Perhaps things like the stage shows may have had non BBC characters or props??

But you don't need anything blike that really, just a familiar face and a touch of scifi would do.

It would not be hard to make a better show than the modern tat, even easier the ultra modern tat, as many have already.

You could also use some familiar situation, like Romans vs ww1 soldiers, or foam invading an English village, or some time travelers going back to the dinosaurs and whittnessing a spaceship crash.

Nothing to do with Dr Who, of course.

Not to mention the shameless funny flag waving.

Would that be the U.N.I.T. flag?

"It's a new army, Major. We're all adjusting."

From Sgt Bilko.

Here's a good list of non BBC ownership.

link

K9, the tv series, is worth a look up. It's a pretty recent example of what we are talking about. Rights from the creator with no BBC connection.

K9, the tv series, is worth a look up. It's a pretty recent example of what we are talking about.

1981 is recent?

(2009 was a while ago too!)

K9 is the newer one.

K9 and company is the older one.

K9 is still within the new tat, and is still a perfect example of what can be done, flop or not.

Properties can still be secured and new, non BBC, shows made.