ArchiducCharles | 24 Jun 2009 9:03 a.m. PST |
I'm thinking of getting back into ancients, and now I see that there's these new FoG rules. I have a 28mm Hoplite army based for WAB (Foundry figs), individually based on 20*20 GW bases with skirmishers on round bases, etc. However, I've come to really enjoy multi-figure bases, and I plan to rebase my Hoplites with Litko bases. Now, if I were doing WAB only, I would rebase them on 40mm squares, 4 per bases. However,and while I enjoy WAB, I might want to try FoG one of those days but I know nothing about these rules. Do they ask for specific basing? Can WAB basing be used for FoG? Any advice before I start rebasing? Apologies if this has been asked before. Thanks guys. |
lugal hdan | 24 Jun 2009 9:06 a.m. PST |
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WarWizard | 24 Jun 2009 9:14 a.m. PST |
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raylev3 | 24 Jun 2009 9:23 a.m. PST |
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KTravlos | 24 Jun 2009 9:23 a.m. PST |
Wargames Research Group It is the basing used for DBA,DBM,DBMM, Piquet and many other rules. |
TodCreasey | 24 Jun 2009 9:50 a.m. PST |
Try FOG first. We found it fiddly and are going back to DBM. If you use the 60mm DBM frontages for FOG you are all set with your current basing. |
TKindred | 24 Jun 2009 10:37 a.m. PST |
Before you rebase, I'd suggest you just make some larger blank bases and blu-tack or use double-sided tape to put you already-based minis on. Play the rules and see what you think before you rebase stiff. respects, |
quidveritas | 24 Jun 2009 12:24 p.m. PST |
I fully intend to play WAB and FOG using the same figs. I first based them for WAB on those black pedestal bases. Then I affixed rare earth magnets to the undersides (these are recessed and you can do this without elevating the fig (any more than it already is that is). Then I picked up galvanized steel bases cut for FOG. The only problem is the ponies. These are mounted on ?? 25 x 50mm bases and are too big for the FOG 60 x 40 base size. So you have to fudge things. -- not a problem from my perspective. mjc |
mbsparta | 24 Jun 2009 7:32 p.m. PST |
If you want to play FoG and WAB with the same 28mm armies I would suggest that you mount: Heavy Infantry: 3 figures on a 60x20 base Medium Infantry: 3 figures on a 60x30 base Light Infanry: 2 figures on a 60x30 base Light Cavalry: 2 figures on a 60x40 base Heavy Cavalry: 2 or 3 figures on a 60x40 base This allows you to have the correct forntage for FoG which is vitally important, and close to the correct frontage for most of your units for WAB. Like someone mentioned you need to fudge the cavalry a bit for WAB, but that is not a problem. Mike B |
Gattamalata | 24 Jun 2009 7:55 p.m. PST |
Since depth isn't important, nor's the number of figures per base, I'd mount six 20mm slotted base miniatures on a 60mm by 40mm tray for heavy/medium infantry. For lights and skirmishers, decrease the number of figures per tray. Cavalry's a problem, as one can't place more than 2 for the correct frontage, being as the slotted base's 25mm by 50mm. |
religon | 24 Jun 2009 8:16 p.m. PST |
I am using 20mm square magnetic single figures. For WAB or skirmish, I use them as singles. For FOG slap them on a flat, matte black metal base 60mm wide. It dosn't look ideal, but the archaic base width used by FoG in 25mm has been a compromise all along. |
Marshal Mark | 25 Jun 2009 1:42 a.m. PST |
I'd second mbsparta recommendations. FOG has 60mm frontages for 28mm. Depths are less important but are 20mm for heavy foot, 30mm for light and medium foot, 40mm for cavalry. For example, base troops such as Roman Legionaries 3 to a 60mm base, with some based singly (20mm) or in 2s (40mm). Then you can take casualties off for WAB (and have different unit frontages if you have enough based singly), and put a single and double base together to make a FOG base. But I would try FOG before you rebase. Are there any local players who you can join for a game to try it out ? |
jameshammyhamilton | 25 Jun 2009 2:42 a.m. PST |
I agree, there is no need to rebase. Just use sabot bases to group 2 or 3 infantry and 1 or 2 cavalry on a FoG sized base. The cavalry bases end up a bit deeper but that really doesn't matter much at all. |
Who asked this joker | 25 Jun 2009 5:00 a.m. PST |
We found it fiddly and are going back to DBM. That is the first time I've ever heard that! |
TodCreasey | 25 Jun 2009 6:29 a.m. PST |
We were surprised too. I am not sure if it is because we are really experienced with DBM and not with FOG but we found that what takes us 2-3 hours in DBM takes us 4-5 with FOG even with the fairly high comfort we have now. The rules for charge interception in particular were fiddly. If there were no DBM I would happily play FOG but we have tried half a dozen times now and DBM is still coming out on top. I really did want to like it as we can get it locally, good production values etc. but the speed of DBM is making it work for us. I'll likely try a FOG tourney some time to see if there is something I am missing. |
jameshammyhamilton | 25 Jun 2009 2:32 p.m. PST |
How are interception charges fiddly? FWIW at my club FoG games generally conclude in about the same time as DBM games used to. I have never had a really short FoG game while there were DBM games where it was all done and dusted in an hour from setup. At the tournament I ran at the UK Games Expo (650 points, 5 by 3 tables, 2 1/2 hour games) two thirds of the games resulted in army break. |