Help support TMP


"WAB, FOG bases compatibility?" Topic


Warhammer: Ancient Battles

16 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Remember that you can Stifle members so that you don't have to read their posts.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Warhammer: Ancient Battles Rules Board

Back to the Field of Glory Rules Board


Action Log

30 Dec 2016 11:41 a.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Crossposted to Warhammer: Ancient Battles board

Areas of Interest

Ancients
Medieval
Renaissance

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Top-Rated Ruleset

Armati


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Showcase Article

Battle-Market: Tannenberg 1410

The Editor tries out a boardgame - yes, a boardgame - from battle-market magazine.


Featured Profile Article

Visiting Reaper - 2000!

The Editor takes a virtual tour of Reaper's new offices.


Featured Book Review


913 hits since 10 Jan 2017
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

ArchiducCharles24 Jun 2009 9:03 a.m. PST

I'm thinking of getting back into ancients, and now I see that there's these new FoG rules.

I have a 28mm Hoplite army based for WAB (Foundry figs), individually based on 20*20 GW bases with skirmishers on round bases, etc. However, I've come to really enjoy multi-figure bases, and I plan to rebase my Hoplites with Litko bases. Now, if I were doing WAB only, I would rebase them on 40mm squares, 4 per bases. However,and while I enjoy WAB, I might want to try FoG one of those days but I know nothing about these rules. Do they ask for specific basing? Can WAB basing be used for FoG? Any advice before I start rebasing?

Apologies if this has been asked before.

Thanks guys.

lugal hdan24 Jun 2009 9:06 a.m. PST

FoG uses WRG basing.

WarWizard24 Jun 2009 9:14 a.m. PST

What is WRG?

raylev324 Jun 2009 9:23 a.m. PST

Wargames Research Group

KTravlos24 Jun 2009 9:23 a.m. PST

Wargames Research Group

It is the basing used for DBA,DBM,DBMM, Piquet and many other rules.

TodCreasey24 Jun 2009 9:50 a.m. PST

Try FOG first. We found it fiddly and are going back to DBM. If you use the 60mm DBM frontages for FOG you are all set with your current basing.

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2009 10:37 a.m. PST

Before you rebase, I'd suggest you just make some larger blank bases and blu-tack or use double-sided tape to put you already-based minis on. Play the rules and see what you think before you rebase stiff.

respects,

quidveritas24 Jun 2009 12:24 p.m. PST

I fully intend to play WAB and FOG using the same figs. I first based them for WAB on those black pedestal bases.

Then I affixed rare earth magnets to the undersides (these are recessed and you can do this without elevating the fig (any more than it already is that is).

Then I picked up galvanized steel bases cut for FOG. The only problem is the ponies. These are mounted on ?? 25 x 50mm bases and are too big for the FOG 60 x 40 base size. So you have to fudge things. -- not a problem from my perspective.

mjc

mbsparta24 Jun 2009 7:32 p.m. PST

If you want to play FoG and WAB with the same 28mm armies I would suggest that you mount:

Heavy Infantry: 3 figures on a 60x20 base
Medium Infantry: 3 figures on a 60x30 base
Light Infanry: 2 figures on a 60x30 base
Light Cavalry: 2 figures on a 60x40 base
Heavy Cavalry: 2 or 3 figures on a 60x40 base

This allows you to have the correct forntage for FoG which is vitally important, and close to the correct frontage for most of your units for WAB. Like someone mentioned you need to fudge the cavalry a bit for WAB, but that is not a problem.

Mike B

Gattamalata24 Jun 2009 7:55 p.m. PST

Since depth isn't important, nor's the number of figures per base, I'd mount six 20mm slotted base miniatures on a 60mm by 40mm tray for heavy/medium infantry. For lights and skirmishers, decrease the number of figures per tray. Cavalry's a problem, as one can't place more than 2 for the correct frontage, being as the slotted base's 25mm by 50mm.

religon24 Jun 2009 8:16 p.m. PST

I am using 20mm square magnetic single figures. For WAB or skirmish, I use them as singles. For FOG slap them on a flat, matte black metal base 60mm wide. It dosn't look ideal, but the archaic base width used by FoG in 25mm has been a compromise all along.

Marshal Mark25 Jun 2009 1:42 a.m. PST

I'd second mbsparta recommendations. FOG has 60mm frontages for 28mm. Depths are less important but are 20mm for heavy foot, 30mm for light and medium foot, 40mm for cavalry.

For example, base troops such as Roman Legionaries 3 to a 60mm base, with some based singly (20mm) or in 2s (40mm). Then you can take casualties off for WAB (and have different unit frontages if you have enough based singly), and put a single and double base together to make a FOG base.

But I would try FOG before you rebase. Are there any local players who you can join for a game to try it out ?

jameshammyhamilton25 Jun 2009 2:42 a.m. PST

I agree, there is no need to rebase. Just use sabot bases to group 2 or 3 infantry and 1 or 2 cavalry on a FoG sized base. The cavalry bases end up a bit deeper but that really doesn't matter much at all.

Who asked this joker25 Jun 2009 5:00 a.m. PST

We found it fiddly and are going back to DBM.

That is the first time I've ever heard that! grin

TodCreasey25 Jun 2009 6:29 a.m. PST

We were surprised too. I am not sure if it is because we are really experienced with DBM and not with FOG but we found that what takes us 2-3 hours in DBM takes us 4-5 with FOG even with the fairly high comfort we have now. The rules for charge interception in particular were fiddly.

If there were no DBM I would happily play FOG but we have tried half a dozen times now and DBM is still coming out on top. I really did want to like it as we can get it locally, good production values etc. but the speed of DBM is making it work for us. I'll likely try a FOG tourney some time to see if there is something I am missing.

jameshammyhamilton25 Jun 2009 2:32 p.m. PST

How are interception charges fiddly?

FWIW at my club FoG games generally conclude in about the same time as DBM games used to. I have never had a really short FoG game while there were DBM games where it was all done and dusted in an hour from setup.

At the tournament I ran at the UK Games Expo (650 points, 5 by 3 tables, 2 1/2 hour games) two thirds of the games resulted in army break.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.