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Personal logo Sgt Slag Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2016 11:07 a.m. PST

I bought this book years ago, hoping it would be a fun rules set to try and play. Instead, I found a lot of material which gave me ideas to use in my other fantasy war game rules, 2nd Ed. BattleSystem. The rules in this book seemed less polished, and far more complex. I had a hard time following them, as I read the book. It also seemed like it was a combination of RPG, and mini's gaming, which seemed more confusing than anything. Still, I enjoy having my hard copy in my personal library. It makes a great reference book. Cheers!

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut13 Oct 2016 11:17 a.m. PST

Which rules are too complex?

Personal logo Sgt Slag Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2016 11:33 a.m. PST

I don't remember as it has been around 10 years since I read it. I may have to re-visit it again. Cheers!

Landorl13 Oct 2016 12:06 p.m. PST

If you think the 2nd edition was complex, you should have tried the first edition. It had figure ratios to deal with and a pretty complex damage computation table.

rmaker13 Oct 2016 12:16 p.m. PST

Any system that uses a D30 is questionable. Any system where trained troops take twice as long to about face as to right or left face is questionable.

And any system where those same troops add the time required for a right face, a left face and a about face to form an all-around defense in just plain broken.

Personal logo Condotta Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2016 2:40 p.m. PST

A. Take a soft cloth and a little wax and you can make the rules more polished.
B. Rip out every other page and the rules become half as complex as before.
C. If you take care to rip out the pages referring to either RPG or Minis, the rules become simpler yet.

Don't give up, in ten years the rules may be useful as tinder to start a fire if nothing else. Meanwhile, use the handy recipes in the back to feed the family during holidays.

Roderick Robertson Fezian14 Oct 2016 8:45 a.m. PST

Sounds like Bladestorm.

(Phil Dutre)13 Dec 2016 12:15 p.m. PST

I played these rules in the early nineties, even participated in a tournament at the European Gencon convention.

I never found them to be complex, actually I remember them as very playable compared to other rules at the time.

The book was a grat inspiration to develop my own rules, and offered a fresh look on fantasy wargaming, different from Warhammer.

sillypoint07 Jan 2017 8:09 p.m. PST

It belongs to that evolution continuum- a staging post from early full blown D&D – Runequest.
It was a far easier system to use- so you could get on with the role playing – maybe?
Anyway, a good addition to any gaming library.

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