"Hail Caesar rules casualty view from Warlord Games" Topic

If you go to link you will find the article I am eluding to.
My view on this is that I do not understand there view on casualties, and I quote :
"We find it convenient to use markers either in the form of model casualties or shields, which we place next to the unit to show how many casualties it is carrying."
If you do that, why don't you REMOVE the figures you are replacing ? As I understand it there can only be a maximum of 6 markers per unit anyway and you still have to paint and buy them also.
I am totally opposed to littering the game with markers, except if they are factual casualty figures, but put casualties and NOT remove the figures they represent is beyond me.

Their view on casualties is entirely based on the fact that all their figures are on multiple bases.

Obvious really.

I like the casualty marker system, provided that the markers are actual models, or something that blends in with the table and doesn't stand out.

I'm pretty much done with basing minis singly, anyway,much preferring a large single base that represents and entire unit such as a maniple, squadron, etc.

The only single-figure based minis I have and am keeping are for skirmish gaming.

I play HC with single base units in 6mm. Casualties are not removeable and I either have to use markers or a roster.

When I play (solo at this point), I use the Gates of Antares Pin markers that are red and it is a dial you can turn to indicate casualties. Putting it next to the affected unit immediately tells you what is happening. I am still trying to think of SHAKEN/ DISORDERED ? WINNING (Charlie Sheen picture on a coin , perhaps? )markers that will stand out but look good while standing out.

All my 28mm minis are on single basing, but on a movement tray with metal on its surface. I can then arrange the minis in any order I want on the tray , especially the Celts as they were a mob as opposed to an orderly cohort.

I prefer the causality marker system.

In Hail Caesar, 'casualty hits' to the Stamina value represent an overall degradation of the unit's cohesion and morale, and not just 'casualties' per se. The HC 'casualty' markers are just one of several different methods players use record Stamina hits. Here are some more:

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Personally, I think this is a great feature of the rules, as I have never liked individual figure basing or casualty removal. Naturally, YMMV.

I have made unit trays that have 2 dice frames attached to hold small dice to count casualties. By using black dice they blend in pretty well.

If you are playing with individual based figures on a movement tray I see no reason you can't remove figures to mark casualties.

Ray, there's no reason YOU can't base your soldiers individually and take them off their trays to mark casualties.

I have made up a lot of casualty vignettes that I have always intended to place behind disordered units. Unfortunately, in the heat of action, I always forget to get them out of the storage boxes; so they never get used! Doh.

what @arsbelli said, they aren't literal casualties in Hail Caesar, think of it more in terms of morale and cohesion. In ancient battles the slaughter usually happened in flight after one side's nerve – and cohesion – broke.

I know that nothing stops me from removing casualties, I just wanted to point out that if you don't and put factual casualtie figures, you will end up with more troops (dead or alive) than you started with.

It is only a 'problem' for people who insist on taking everything they see on a tabletop battlefield literally. Since in HC the figures are symbolic and do not represent individual soldiers, the fact that 'casualty' figures add to the total number of models in play is of no consequence whatsoever.