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Prince Alberts Revenge14 Jul 2014 6:13 p.m. PST

Reading Morgan Llewelyn's book on Brian Boru and Clontarf has spurred my interest in gaming the Irish and Vikings. I have some rather nice Baueda vikings in 15mm that I need a project for. I like Dux Bellorum, and I found this link:
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How would one classify the Irish and Vikings in DB? Is it feasible? I imagine the Irish would mostly be warriors and skirmishers. Any thoughts on Irish vs Vikings with DB? Thanks!

Who asked this joker14 Jul 2014 7:37 p.m. PST

I think both sides would be Norse-Irish armies under 1 command. Each side would still have 1 companion…probably foot.

Huscarls could be nobles warriors
Bondi and Irish could be warriors
Lower class Irish could be skirmishers or militia.

I suspect melee foot should be classed as warriors due to the extremely bloody nature of Clontarf. Change warrior to shield-wall if that is your preference but no mixing. To my mind it should be either warriors or shield-wall but not both.

Oh Bugger15 Jul 2014 3:44 a.m. PST

Its worth considering that the Irish consistently pasted the Vikings after the initial shock of their arrival.

There was no shortage of full time warriors in Irish society at this time and the nobility who they served were expected to excel in warfare.

For a big battle like Clontarf the free farmers would turn out too in accordance with their obligation to take part in wars of offence and defence. They would all of had some degree of regular military experience. Irish Tuatha hosted on an annual basis.

The Norse resident in Ireland had been under Irish military domination for some time including sending contingents for their overlords wars.

I think they would roughly approximate in quality to their Irish opponents.

Irish skirmishers were warriors tasked with a job rather than troops who only skirmished. How they fought was dictated by the circumstances of the encounter. Sometimes they skirmished sometimes they charged.

The external allies called in by both sides add a bit of variety.

It might be interesting to model the various commands on both sides.

As has been said Clontarf was a very bloody affair.

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