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dsjdsj30 Jul 2005 5:40 p.m. PST

How is Armati II? Does it also have the distinct unit system like warhammer?

Mako1330 Jul 2005 6:16 p.m. PST

Not sure what you mean by distinct unit system, since I am unfamiliar with Warhammer, but there are different types of units, with differing capabilities.

dsjdsj30 Jul 2005 6:33 p.m. PST

In warhammer each unit is distinct just like in RTS games such as age of empires and medieval total war. Non distinct would be something like Sid Meirs Civilizations where the units have general names such as Infantry, Tank, cannon etc… and every country has the same units. Which one is armati like?

Heritage Studios30 Jul 2005 8:16 p.m. PST

Armati is more like warhammer by your description. with each unit having specific.

also armati II is just some extra army lists and advanced rules. if you want the rules you need the first version.

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dsjdsj30 Jul 2005 9:00 p.m. PST

Thank you!

Personal logo Condottiere Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2005 5:10 a.m. PST

I have Armati, Advanced Armati and Armati II.

Armati II essentially is a re-write of Armati with some changes. The second version is more clearly written, in my opinion. Whereas Armati and Advanced Armati end with the Later renaissance, Armati II stops in the Medieval period just before the introduction of gunpowder weapons. I understand that a Renaissance version of Armati may be in the works.

dsjdsj31 Jul 2005 8:43 a.m. PST

Where can I find a copy of armati II?

coopman31 Jul 2005 12:42 p.m. PST

speartorifle.com (Wargames) should have it.

blueduck31 Jul 2005 8:18 p.m. PST

I would have to make a correction. Armati II is all-inclusive. It is the full update from Armati (original) and Advanced Armati. You do not need the first set, and to be honest, the first set has predetermined, unchanging armies. Armati II has points list that let you pick and choose. No one uses the original Armati anymore (more correctly, I don't know anyone who does).

dsjdsj31 Jul 2005 8:56 p.m. PST

I heard on boardgamegeek that in armati 2 the missile troops are too powerful. Is that true?

Mako1331 Jul 2005 9:00 p.m. PST

Armati II doesn't cover guns, if I recall correctly, like the other previous rules sets do, so isn't much good beyond the Hundred Years Wars if you like to use firearms, unless you get the other books, or have someone provide you with the data from those.

Easy enough to craft some rules for them, but they are not included.

Also, sadly, there is no campaign system, like in the previous releases.

Mako1331 Jul 2005 9:05 p.m. PST

Missile troops are only powerful, if the person owning them rolls dice well, so can be hit, or miss.

Can't comment on how they compare with other rules sets, since I haven't played enough games.

I must say that I didn't like the way the light cavalry bowmen the mongols use were able to fire on my troops, and then flee out of range, but that seems to be pretty historical.

Tarleton01 Aug 2005 12:58 a.m. PST

Armati II are are update of AI and Advanced Armati. There are some rule changes and some new rules. It does not include artillery of any description or handguns. It still has the usual typo errors. There is a Renaissance Armati in the pipeline, now due next year – 2006.

Armati are written for tournaments for a quick game that reaches a conclusion. That said they are a good set of rules, the group I game with have houserules to make the rules more accurate/historical as we see it.

The army lists section is bigger and some armies have a choice of 2 lists. That said the army lists can be somewhat quirky, they have French Ordonnance and Wars Of The Roses but leave out Hussites who preceded them both! Maybe it was because of the guns and wagons? Though the original rules and Advanced Aramati had rules for them!

There is a Yahoo group for Armati at

link

There is also another group related to Armati, which has new rules and lots more army lists. This is at

warflute.org

You will find a lot of sometimes quite vociferous and heated debate on both sites. Not all of it constructive…

Mako1301 Aug 2005 1:59 p.m. PST

I think the rules are fine, but am just a bit disappointed that so much from the previous releases was not included in Armati II.

I guess that is how people sell more supplements, but I rather dislike the omissions.

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