"Terry Gore's Medieval Warfare" Topic

Picked up a copy for GBP20 today at Hammerhead (excellent convention: well done!)

The production values are really good: a beautifully illustrated hardback book that's a pleasure to read.

The rules are clearly written.

They don't look too complicated but should give a decent battle.

I look forward to seeing Ancient Warfare if the prod values are the same.

For those interested, there's no grief for rebasing. My 15mm guys will work just fine as will my 28mm troops.

Worth a look

Foundry's Medieval Warfare is a very impressive product. Perhaps, overall, it is the best looking rulebook I have ever seen. It was clearly laid out with the object of topping the very high quality Games Workshop routinely achieves with its Warhammer Ancient Battles series of rules and supplements.

I really treasure the Foundry edition, both as a tribute to Terry Gore and the realization of a goal many MW players have pursued for years.

I played with MW Rules and I like them a lot , now I want to buy the new Rules book. Great game Rules!!!

There was a question as to which armies were included in the book. Can you give us the list of armies?

Tx!

In the book, there are IIRC:

Late Roman
Hun
Arthurian
Pict
Early Saxon
Late Saxon
Norman
Viking
Gael-Viking
Med French
Med English
WOTR
HRE
Burgundian

To put it bluntly, it's not difficult to cobble together pretty much anything else you'd want.

There are also some scenarios: C12 Normans, WOTR and Clontarf

The rules are, damn, I'm not sure how to put this, comforting. Nothing too clever but solid.

I love the order counters you can cut out at the back of the book. THat's a nice touch.

Sure, there's a fair bit of fluff with LOTS of pictures (and I mean LOTS) and several pages of tactical advice as well as some colour pages of banners and some advice on how to do some cool medieval houses but these are the sort of rules you pick up when you're tired and want something to read and look at.

The only problem is that I'm now manfully resisting buying more 28mms. Actually I don't need to since the standard frontage is 40mm which fits nicely for both WAB monkeys and DBM fetishists.

My 15mms will do very nicely for this.

Its tha bomb!

PS: Medieval Warfare Yahoo group here:

Re-worked Army list books are being worked on now. Get your 2cents in while you can!

games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SAGAWarfare/

So are combats and loses calculated by figure or multi-figure stand?

How are figures based?

"So are combats and loses calculated by figure or multi-figure stand?"

The rules are flexible enough to do either way but "figure stands" are the suggested way.

"How are figures based?"

Again, flexible. They offer a guide for basing "small stands" (30mm wide, for 10mm or 6mm figures, generally), "medium stands " (also known as "Foundry Stands", 30mm-50mm frontage, mainly for 15mm or single mounted 25mm figures), and "Large stands" (50-75mm, for 25mm-28mm minis).

The reason they have done this is largely to make the rules universal to any pre-based army you have (ie. no re-basing).

The "medieum stands" that I use is pretty much the same bases as used in any of the DB(x) game systems.

Hope that helps.

While dishing on "MW", I will throw out some more info for people who are considering using these rules:

"Saga Publications", who put out the original version of Medieval Warfare, are still up and running. They offer a number of Wargame supplamental books for MW or other gaming systems (see books below)and they offer an every other mont newsletter (for download or snail mail) called "Saga Newsletter". These often provide new scenarios, army tips, etc… for Medieval Warfare (and Saga'a other publications).

Here are a list of the current and future publications by Saga Publishing that I am currently aware of. Their scanario books for "1066" and "Wars of the Roses" are VERY good and are useable for any rules system, not just "MW":

an * denotes a future pending publication:

RULE SETS:
Ancient Warfare,
Medieval Warfare, (The pre-Foundry version)
Renaissance Warfare,
Lace Warfare, (18th Century Rules)
Napoleonic Warfare,
Victorian Warfare,
Verdun Warfare*,
Skirmish Warfare*,
Fantasy Warfare*,
Siege Warfare*,

Scenario, Campaign, and Specialty Books:
Medieval Battles (scenarios for MW, 5th-13th century),
The Campaign of 1066 (includes all battles, not just Hastings),
The Romano-Judean War,
Medieval Battles and Leaders,
The Wars of the Roses (MW scenarios, all major battles covered),
The Arthurian Wars*,
A Guide to Byzantine Armies*,
The Battle of Grunwald 1410*,
The Battles of Adrianople and Chalons*

(phew…and you thought Medieval Warfare was a brand new product!).

As I stated previously, there is a Yahoo Group to discuss any of these books/games, but Medieval Warfare is the main topic:

link

and then there is the Saga Publishing page, of course, where I believe you can still find/ buy all of the above publications or the News Letter:

saga-publishing.com

Cheers and enjoy good gaming!

Sorry folks, I posted an old link for Saga Publishing, here is the correct one:
sagapublishing.homestead.com

Ohhhh, almost forgot….there were previously 2 army list books published for Ancient Warfare and 2 for Medieval Warfare. The 2 for MW are currently being re-written.

I think you can still get all 4 of the old ones from Saga though.

Thanks Uesugi Kenshin for the info and links.

cheers
Edward

No prob Ed Plan. As I've told others before, I'm a bit of MW . I just love the game and can't believe it isnt more popular than some of the other systems out there (which I find it much better than).

With the new Foundry (hi-end) version out and new Army Books coming out I'm hoping the fan base will continue to grow. As long as people are interested in it I'll continue to "sell" it in here and other forums.

For newer players of MW who are looking for histrical MW scenarios to play, I suggest the WotR Book by Saga (I'm having my figs painted for Barnet now!) and Terry's "Medieval Battles" book. I also have 2 homemade MW Mongol vrs Mamluke scenarios (Ain-Jalut & 2nd Homs). If you would like to play these please contact me here:
theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=142438

As for the "Medieval Battles" book, here are the scenarios included:
Chalons 451 Romans v. Huns
Mons Badonicus 517 Britons v. Germans
Taginae 552 Byzantines v. Goths
Nechtansmere 685 Saxons v. Picts
Ellandun 825 Saxon v Saxon
Brunanburh 937 Saxon v. Scots/Welsh/Vikings
Lechfeld 955 Magyars v Germans
Maldon 991 Saxon v Vikings
Civitate 1053 Normans v. Lombards
Faro 1061 Normans v. Sicilian Moslems
Durazzo 1081 Norman v. Byzantines
Antioch 1098 Crusader v. Sejuk Turk
Menai Straits 1098 Anglo-Norman v. Vikings
Tinchebrai 1106 Anglo-Normans v. Normans
Hab 1119 Crusaders v. Seljuk Turks
Bremule 1119 Anglo-Normans v. French
Nocera 1132 Communal Italian v. Sicilian Normans
Standard 1138 Pre-Feudal Scpts v. Anglo-Normans
Lincoln 1141 Anglo-Normans v. Anglo-Normans
Stirling Bridge 1297 Scots v. English

The book also includes DBM orders of battle and a painting guide!

Thats a whole-lotta Darkage/ Feudal Gaming for 1 book! (especially if you game Normans).

Many of the battles are on the smaller side so good for people with few figs or just starting out.

Necroing this one. Pardon me for the inconvenience.

Does anybody have any idea what army lists are included in the two supplements

Armies of the Dark Age/Feudalism

and

Armies of the Age of Chivalry?

Kaptajn, the first book covered pretty much every army from Western Europe to China for the period of 450AD to 1200AD.

The second book covered the same areas for 1200-1500AD. Numerous African armies are included in both books as well.

Hope that helps some. Were you looking for a specific army?

"Pretty much every army" is a big sentence!

I was wondering about whether it had any scandinavian medieval armies of the high middle ages (which would mean the end of the first book and the start of the last…) and their opponents – Novgorod, Pskov, the other baltic contenders – Teutonic Order, for example, the early Hansa, north germans principalities and the scots.

I've recently read through the rules and like them a lot (I am not a fan of how FOG covers the medieval period), although there are some minor quibbles – the randomness to charge distances seem to big, for example.

Scandinavian, Early Russian, Early and Later Teutonic, Pre-Feaudal & Early Medieval and Later Medieval Scots, Early and Later German lists are included.

There was no "Later Russian" states list in the original books. This one will be included in the new army lists books that are in the works however.

Re: Baltic armies, Prussians, Lithuanins, & Slav lists are included. I can't recall right now but there may have been a "Balts/Finns/Urgians" list as well.

No Hanseatic League but an army could be cobbled together from a Danish or German list no doubt.

Thanks! Do you have any idea when the new army list books will be out?

Thats the million $ question. Perry Grey, who co-wrote the originals with the late Terry Gore, has been working on two expanded army books (will cover same armies as the originals + new ones, Like Later Russian, Central American, etc…) since about 2008. I heard a rumor he may have them available for Historicon.

Perry is often willing to send people his work-in-progress army lists if you are looking for a few specific armies. He had me give some input on Central American, Samurai and Korean armies. I would hit him up at the "Saga" yahoo group, which I believe is linked above somewhere.

I agree, they are a great set of rules. I havent played FoG for medievals yet but I'm interested in comparing it to MW.

If you like Baltic battles, check out my scenario for Grunwald:
TMP link
It was written for FoG players but you can convert the battle on a 1 base to 1 base scale for MW easily enough.

Nice scenario. A bit later than my usual period of interest, though. High medieval all the way :D

I'll try to get in touch with him. So the Scandinavian list is not differentiated between the three kingdoms? That's too bad. Then again, knowledge of medieval scandinavian warfare is pretty rare, even in Scandinavian historical circles. The two Osprey books are extreme embarrassments, for example.