Zippee | 29 Aug 2015 2:05 a.m. PST |
No – as long as the guy's enthusiastic, willing and pleasant then I'm happy to manage his lack of comprehension. If the guy's just a lazy git who brings nothing but expectations then he'll be invited elsewhere. |
warwell | 29 Aug 2015 2:20 a.m. PST |
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GildasFacit | 29 Aug 2015 2:47 a.m. PST |
We play so many different sets and modify them so often that it is VERY rare that anyone around the table knows them well. Add to that our age (mid 50's – mid 60's) and tendency to remember bits from the wrong set of rules and you end up with a lot of checking and 'discussion' of what we should be doing. |
Rrobbyrobot | 29 Aug 2015 5:09 a.m. PST |
It all depends on who's playing. Our group has experienced players who know the rules well. But we encourage folks to join us. We don't expect them to know the rules unless, or until they've been at it awhile. Then again, we tend to play rather simple rules that aren't hard to grasp. But if you've got, say, a younger person in the group that just can't afford to purchase a set of the rules, do you really want to exclude them? |
RavenscraftCybernetics | 29 Aug 2015 5:39 a.m. PST |
I play games at conventions in order to learn new rules. I run games at conventions in order to teach new rules. I expect people not to know the rules so your scenario seems a tad off-putting to me. |
Frederick | 29 Aug 2015 5:39 a.m. PST |
They make the game interesting – like charging into short range of a deployed battery and learning about this thing called canister They also do things that are unpredictable and, given the quality of some generals, are probably more historical than what the rules lawyers do! |
Winston Smith | 29 Aug 2015 5:55 a.m. PST |
Many, if not most "real life" generals had to learn the rules the hard way. I would suggest that by April 1865 most ACW generals still had a lot to learn. |
McKinstry | 29 Aug 2015 7:50 a.m. PST |
No. It's a game and if everyone is having a good time, we don't sweat the small stuff. |
Wombling Free | 29 Aug 2015 8:56 a.m. PST |
It's not a problem at the start but can irritate me if they continue to not learn the rules after we have been playing a while. We had one WW1 air war campaign implode because the guy that never learnt the rules sulked massively after we got fed up and enforced the rules instead of cutting him yet more slack. It was not pleasant to see and not a pleasant end to what had been a long campaign, but his inability/refusal to learn the rules after so long was spoiling the campaign for the rest of us. |
etotheipi | 29 Aug 2015 12:15 p.m. PST |
Don't have a lot of getting hung up on rules. |
Kevin in Albuquerque | 29 Aug 2015 2:35 p.m. PST |
With my ability to roll badly (six '1's' in a row at a tournament, seven at a friendly local game) I need all the advantages I can get. You bet I'm going to know the rules! |
Doctor X | 29 Aug 2015 6:54 p.m. PST |
The OP's scenario is about people who play the same rules over and over but never bother to learn them. If the player has some mental defect, no problem. If he is a lazy piece of or a "pretender"* then I don't have time for them. * "Pretender" – a player who knows the rules but fakes ignorance in order to try to bend the rules or cheat. They can also be part time rules lawyers hoping to catch someone in a "but last time you said…" discussions. |
Twilight Samurai | 29 Aug 2015 9:19 p.m. PST |
The people that are bothered are probably the ones best avoided. |
20thmaine | 30 Aug 2015 2:26 a.m. PST |
solo players need to be allowed multiple choices here : I'm that guy, but I'm also the guy who knows the rules, and ew never play the same rules twice and….. |
Inkpaduta | 30 Aug 2015 7:37 a.m. PST |
Only when they have asked for the ninth time what die do I need to roll? I have told them what die eight times earlier. |
DWilliams | 30 Aug 2015 9:22 a.m. PST |
I have two responses … First, in every real battle, there are always incompetent commanders who don't have a clue, so the presence of these types of players just adds to the realism. Second, our club is welcoming to all, and we are patient and understanding with those who just can't seem to master the simplest rules. |
Ceterman | 30 Aug 2015 10:12 a.m. PST |
What GildasFacit said, exactly! |
Ron W DuBray | 30 Aug 2015 3:18 p.m. PST |
NO because even the best players FUBAR a rule now and then and a lot of people will never remember most things week to week let alone one game of a rules set to another with months or years between playing them. Just too many new things to deal with every day, so remembering 10 to 30 sets of game rules is not on the top of the list. So they get push into a back room of your brain. Lets face it they don't pay the bills for most all of us. I guess we don't play the same set more then 3 to 5 times a year so its not a problem and getting to play any games more then once a month is pushing it. |
DisasterWargamer | 31 Aug 2015 5:15 a.m. PST |
Try to avoid the more complex games – unless with a regular group playing them – otherwise keep it simple and fun. |
advocate | 31 Aug 2015 8:34 a.m. PST |
Other – depends on the guy. |
Yesthatphil | 31 Aug 2015 5:47 p.m. PST |
No … it isn't all about the rules (which are just tools to make the game work) … and what advocate said … Phil |
Old Contemptibles | 31 Aug 2015 11:34 p.m. PST |
Nope as long as some of us know the rules we are good. It does help if he/her has some wargaming experience. If you know, move, fire, melee and morale, your good to go. There are some rules we play that I don't fully know yet, but I get asked back every time. We each know one of the myriad of rules we play. We ALL get them confused. …or is that a rule from another game? Attitude, comradely and someone who provides figures, terrain and/or beer are all more important than knowing the rules. What we don't like is someone who gets upset with someone who doesn't know all the rules. We don't have that many players to be turning away people for something as trivial as not knowing the rules. |
meledward23 | 02 Sep 2015 10:15 a.m. PST |
Depends. If its the guy that enjoys playing the game and is willing to let you point out the proper rule to him and he goes oh okay and moves on, then yes he is fine. If he is the @#$@#$@ that quotes rules that dont exist while he plays… then no… |