x42brown | 09 Oct 2014 2:06 a.m. PST |
I've played a bit in the past, mainly ECW but have forces suitable for elsewhere and when, but can no longer get anyone interested. x42 |
langobard | 09 Oct 2014 2:59 a.m. PST |
I've never really been satisfied either by the game mechanisms for the interaction between pike and shot (in the same unit) nor have I been happy with the command procedures of larger formations such as tercios. Of course, that is nothing more than my own prejudices not being satisfied rather than me being right and all the game designers being wrong! |
Yesthatphil | 09 Oct 2014 3:02 a.m. PST |
FoG-R has meant that at many UK tournaments the Renaissance period is as popular now as ancients. At club level Pike & Shotte seemed to get a lot of interest (at least until Warlord shifted its promotion to Bolt Action) … So I'm not sure that the premise on which this poll is based (that the Renaissance period is not played much) really applies. Maybe we need a what periods do you play poll first, then the exploration? Maybe there was a poll and I missed it? Second, there is a question of definition. I wouldn't put Wars of the Roses, which is massive by wargame standards, in a Renaissance category (it is the end of English Medieval warfare) but, really, 1455 to 1485? That's Renaissance by any other definition. So again, perhaps we need a poll to establish the book ends for Renaissance? FWIW Locally we do a lot of ECW, some Italian Wars and French Wars of Religion plus recently we did our Flodden refight. Probably as much Renaissance as WWII … Mostly we use homegrown rules, Neil Thomas, Armati and FoG-R for the period. Phil |
etotheipi | 09 Oct 2014 4:27 a.m. PST |
I game conflicts (wars, battles, and some lovely riots) that happened during the Renaissance. But similar to Yesthatphil, I think there's a definition problem. Unlike the poll, I don't think the Renaissance was a time period as opposed to a wargame genre. I think it is a philosophical movement. Some of the things that I game during the time period of the Renaissance are related to that philosophical movement. Others aren't. I think this is the same issue I have with the "Cold War" period. There should be another topic for things that happened in the late 20th that weren't related to the Cold War. |
Mooseworks8 | 09 Oct 2014 4:52 a.m. PST |
I use 15mm renaissance models for fantasy gaming. |
John the Greater | 09 Oct 2014 6:33 a.m. PST |
I have played Renaissance since the earliest WRG rules. Why not, indeed? |
Cyrus the Great | 09 Oct 2014 6:56 a.m. PST |
I have brought up Renaissance gaming over the years and you could hear a pin drop. The most common comments, when I could get them, have been a lack of "good" rules or being too hard to paint as everyone thinks Landsknechts. |
miniMo | 09 Oct 2014 8:31 a.m. PST |
I enjoy a game of DBA-RRR whenever I get the chance. |
D6 Junkie | 09 Oct 2014 1:05 p.m. PST |
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Flashman14 | 09 Oct 2014 5:01 p.m. PST |
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Pictors Studio | 09 Oct 2014 5:53 p.m. PST |
Technically it is the early modern period. For some reason wargamers lump that into the renaissance while pushing a lot of the early renaissance stuff into the medieval period. |
skippy0001 | 09 Oct 2014 10:37 p.m. PST |
It's those clothes-floppy hats, tights and baggy shorts combo…naaah…but I like to watch period films based in the Renaissance….go figure… |
redbanner4145 | 10 Oct 2014 5:36 a.m. PST |
I game 30 Years War but while many rules authors call that Renaissance I don't. |
The Beast Rampant | 10 Oct 2014 7:55 a.m. PST |
I always figured that, in wargames terms, Renn was the whole of the pike & shot period, generally 1500-1700 (though skewed late 15thC to late 17thC). But, whatever. It's just a term of convenience for wargamers, anyway. And for me, "codpieces" was a selling point! |
Old Contemptibles | 10 Oct 2014 2:18 p.m. PST |
The Renaissance takes place at different times in different countries. Italian Renaissance: ca.1330-1527 Begins with: April 6, 1341: Francesco Petrarch is Crowned Poet Laureate. Many historians cite this date as the beginning of the Renaissance. Ends with: May 6, 1527: The Sack of Rome. After Pope Clement VII refuses to grant the imperial army a ransom, it attacks the city of Rome, taking the city in just over twelve hours. The sack of Rome symbolizes the downfall of Renaissance Italy, much of which is subjugated to Imperial-Spanish rule by the settlement of Bologna in 1530. English Renaissance: ca. 1500 – 1688 Begins with: The English Renaissance (also called the Early Modern period) dates from the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. Ends with: The Glorious Revolution of 1688. Generally the Rest of Western Europe: ca. 1453-1527 Begins with: The fall of Constantinople in 1453. The center of the Byzantine Empire, Constantinople falls to the Ottoman Turks, provoking an exodus of Greek people and works of art and literature into the Italian city-states. Ends with: May 6, 1527: The Sack of Rome (see above) |
Old Contemptibles | 10 Oct 2014 2:30 p.m. PST |
I voted "other" because my choice was not on the list. "plan to do it, but it is a low priority" I will eventually get around to it. Will defiantly do the ECW, not sure if I will branch out to other conflicts. That is if I can find a set of rules that I can live with. |
Dave Crowell | 11 Oct 2014 10:30 a.m. PST |
I am busy enough with other projects and periods right now. That is the same reason I don't game ACW, Wild West, Northwest Frontier, Franco-Prussian War, 1812, etc, etc. Renaissance just isn't taking me gently by the throat and demanding "Game ME!" At the moment. |
tkdguy | 12 Oct 2014 12:06 a.m. PST |
I was hoping to play a game or two, but my friends just aren't interested in that era. |
20thmaine | 12 Oct 2014 4:56 p.m. PST |
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion on this, but it does seem strange that "the wars are not interesting" is doing quite well. British Civil Wars Italian Wars Conquistadors Siege of malta Samurai Wars Lepanto Thirty Years War Wars of religion in France How can these, and more, be "not interesting" ? |
Yesthatphil | 13 Oct 2014 2:33 a.m. PST |
Don't forget, 20thmaine, that it is one of those skewed TMP vote for up to five polls, most of which are negative opinions. I regularly wargame the Ren/Pike & Shot period, so I have only cast one vote. Those voters who have negative opinions can have their opinion multiplied up five fold. OK – there will be some who play this period that have found one or two other boxes to tick but my guess is that the majority of people who have used all five votes are naysayers … (indeed, there are not five positives on the list anyway so it is a 'no win' in that sense). The poll is best looked at as two-in-one: the lead poll is currently being won by I already wargame the Renaissance. Then there is the sub issue of if not, why not which is currently being won by just not interested I agree with you about how this can not be interesting … but fantasy gamers, tankheads and duh – it's only a game can all come here and tick their top five prejudices (and, of course, we respect their point of view !) Phil |
Old Contemptibles | 13 Oct 2014 9:27 a.m. PST |
I prefer the term "Pike and Shot" to cover Thirty Years War and ECW. Lets have a poll that is more positive. Why do you or plan to do the period? What do you find interesting about the subject. |
Scorpio | 15 Oct 2014 5:56 a.m. PST |
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