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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2020 9:48 p.m. PST

Hope all TMP members are a safe distance from all the Shenanigans going on in the country tonight.

I'm on standby to deploy in Los Angeles.

Stay safe safe & keep your powder dry.

darthfozzywig30 May 2020 10:57 p.m. PST

I'm on the Westside. Quiet here.

Stay safe. Do the right thing.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 3:17 a.m. PST

Quiet here, live about 25 miles outside of Detroit. Saddened by the looting & arson of people's property.

PzGeneral31 May 2020 4:45 a.m. PST

I live just north of Toledo. 10 arrested, 3 injured last night. On the way home last night I saw that a department store WAY away from the protest area was under Police presence because it had been vandalized. So we diverted our drive to avoid it and all is good.

And yes, it is sad the innocent people who lives and lively hoods are destroyed by the protests for justice…..

Mr Elmo31 May 2020 6:57 a.m. PST

Riots and curfew in Milwaukee. Some looting and Arson.

This must have been what the 60's wee like: protests, racial tension and men in space!

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 7:43 a.m. PST

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Looting and burning is NOT social protest.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 8:25 a.m. PST

Another, very reasoned, examination of the criminal rioting and looting:

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Andrew Walters31 May 2020 9:53 a.m. PST

There's a lot of damage a ten minute's drive away, but I think we're safe here.

Target has closed a lot of stores, though. Not that we go to Target anymore, anyway.

I wonder if anyone will count how many jobs are being lost, how many people are going to go without pay while Target is closed, etc. I wish we could do away with the self-inflicted hardship.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian31 May 2020 11:02 a.m. PST

Some rioting in Albany, NY, and a mall in the suburb was vandalized.

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 2:07 p.m. PST

Protests in KC some minor incidents but nothing like most of you.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 2:52 p.m. PST

So I live in West LA. Yesterday Fairfax (ie Mid LA) got the Bleeped text burned and looted out of it. Downtown and Beverly Hills got hit too.

Today Santa Monica to the West of me is suffering severe looting, damage and general Chaos.

You can make out 2 distinct groups in Santa Monica:

1) Legitimate protesters carrying signs, taking a knee, other than blocking traffic not breaking any laws (lots of college looking kids, high percentage of females).

2) Antifa, BLM, Anarchist looters just there to damage, steal, attack Police.

All around yet another sad period for America in my career as an LEO. Seems like we are just as divided as the year I was born in. 1968.

As before, everybody stay safe, stay in doors if you can.

Au pas de Charge31 May 2020 4:23 p.m. PST

Although ANTIFA isnt really much of an organization, they may have a few anarchists involved. You can add white supremacists too, hoping for a good old fashioned race war. There is also suspicion of drug cartel members getting involved.

This was so badly handled by the Minnesota government. What were they thinking? Everyone was at home watching the news like never before; scared, bored, frustrated, unemployed.

Their slow movement and seemingly cover-up behavior was like a powder keg. They should've arrested those officers immediately and then worked it out behind the scenes. I feel bad for this MN LEO, he is going to get shafted and we dont even truly know what happened, just what looks like happened.

In NYC there has been quite a bit of damage and rioting but I have to give our usually anarchistic mayor credit, he shut it down fairly quickly.

And StoneMtnMinis is right, Looting and rioting are not protesting. But, I think a lot of these people are so very downtrodden, they dont feel they have a lot to lose.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 4:42 p.m. PST

Pigs, I can tell you there were no White Supremacists looting stores in Santa Monica today! (though I did see one news article that 40 White Nationals were arrested near Minneapolis for looting).

The Looters in LA last night left "BLM" sprayed on nearly every building on Melrose for almost a mile long stretch.

Today in Santa Monica the peaceful protesters were of all races and came to be heard but not threaten property or Police.

The Looters in Santa Monica however were 95% Black & Hispanic. Probably mostly opportunist looters but BLM, Antifa and Anarchists have clearly made their presence felt.

I've even seen the Antifa types attack other protesters who tried to stop them from looting.

You'll find in the aftermath of this that the Looters contained numerous organized groups who used social media platforms to coordinate Looters responses to areas where Law Enforcement wasn't present.

I know this from past experience 'cause I used to be charged with monitoring "anti-establishment" groups media accounts back around 2006-2008.

Social media is the newest tool of counter establishment grours and Law Enforcement has got to play catchup in order to curtail this type of organized insurrectios in the future.

Mithmee31 May 2020 5:12 p.m. PST

hoping for a good old fashioned race war

Two things

First – You do not want this to happen.

Second – Because if it did it would go really bad for one side.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2020 5:44 p.m. PST

On a sad note, the first Santa Monica Police Officer was just shot, but he's in good condition. Hopefully that's the last or it could be a long night.

Irish Marine01 Jun 2020 6:35 a.m. PST

As with all of this nonsense nothing is about the dead guy, it's just about stealing and acting like thugs.

Col Durnford01 Jun 2020 6:49 a.m. PST

In Denver the good folks are out protesting mostly peacefully during the day, but once the sun goes down, the werewolves come out to play.

138SquadronRAF01 Jun 2020 7:44 a.m. PST

Yes. I live in the Twin Cities. The St. Paul city line is about 1/4 mile due South of me.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 7:55 a.m. PST

Exactly Irish. Glad Colorado was good Carter!

Repiqueone01 Jun 2020 8:37 a.m. PST

I would suspect that Uesugi hadn't the opportunity to check Antifa membership cards of the looters he observed. It is extremely difficult in a civil uprising to accurately ID all of the participants. Particularly since it is incredibly easy for a disniformation effort to carry signs and paint graffitti that suits their purposes. One obvious question to be asked is who has the most to gain from looting and/or destruction? It certainly isn't the people who are protesting the obvious institutional bias in American Jurisprudence and enforcement.

This will become clearer over the next few days as arrest records, additional reportage, and background checks are done. It has been reported that several extremist groups, both left and right, including RW militias, and the Hawaiian shirted "Boogaloo Boys" have been present at these affairs.

In the meantime, Deleted by Moderator

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 9:56 a.m. PST

I would hope that Bill shuts this topic down.

Anyone who wishes to discuss it should take it
to the Blue Fez OR any of the internet fora where
the 'discussions' run free…

Martin From Canada01 Jun 2020 10:03 a.m. PST

And I suggest reading Letter from a Birmingham jail to help context this reaction to a cop murdering one more unarmed visible minority.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 10:10 a.m. PST

Martin from Canada, nothing about those subjects because this isn't the post for it. You're welcome to start one. I'm sure it would be an interesting topic.

I started this post out of concern for the safety of my fellow TMPers. Maybe you and Ed Mohrmann missed that point.

Me personally, I see nothing wrong with a warrior culture in US law enforcement, but again that's a topic for another day.

For Martin maybe you're unclear what the current attitude in Law Enforcement is, being that your from Canada, but ever single law enforcement member I know agrees 100% with the Protesters that this was nothing short of a muder.

Based on your post I have the feeling that just like Antifa that fact means nothing to you. You have a clear anti-law enforcement attitude and that's OK with me.

I'm used to it after 25 years. Just don't pretend that your opinion is anywhere but in the anti-law enforcement camp.

Martin From Canada01 Jun 2020 10:27 a.m. PST

Me personally, I see nothing wrong with a warrior culture in US law enforcement, but again that's a topic for another day.

Not bothered by the massive bodycount disparity compared to police cultures steeped in Peelian principles (Keeping the comparisons limited to the Anglo-Saxon world in order to limit the scope of legal and cultural confounding factors)?


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  • To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
  • To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
  • To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
  • To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
  • To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
  • To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
  • To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
  • To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary, of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
  • To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

Martin From Canada01 Jun 2020 10:48 a.m. PST

For Martin maybe you're unclear what the current attitude in Law Enforcement is, being that your from Canada, but ever single law enforcement member I know agrees 100% with the Protesters that this was nothing short of a muder.

Based on your post I have the feeling that just like Antifa that fact means nothing to you. You have a clear anti-law enforcement attitude and that's OK with me.

Yes, I am for Canada, but from here it's obvious that the death of George Floyd in a situation that didn't need escalation is but the anvil that broke the camel's back. Or to put it another way, it's analogous to the feeling that killing some Archduke in a backwater provincial town would have sparked nothing if the European powers weren't an improperly stored powder keg itching for another war. It's not just the killing of George Floyed, but rather this was the breaking point after a long series of incidents where it looked like black lives didn't matter. Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, Stephon Clark, Philandro Castille, Freddie Gray, Tamir Rice… the list goes on.

BTW, I am glad to be anti-fascist, and it's impossible to stand on both sides of the Edmund Pettus Bridge…

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 10:54 a.m. PST

+5 Martin from Canada

Private Matter01 Jun 2020 11:00 a.m. PST

Watch the video clips of the police dealing with protestors in Flint
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Or Oklahoma City:
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Police are not warriors they are the public servants who protect society while being part of that society.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 11:08 a.m. PST

"massive bodycount"…not hyperbolic at all, huh Buddy, lol.

US cops shoot and kill 1,000 people a year. 97% of those killed were armed in some way.

That gives you a few dozen unarmed people killed by 400,000 police officers who make 40 million arrests per year.

By contrast 40,000 police officers are injured by assaults on them each year. In 25 years I've been assaulted 52 times and been involved in 2 shootings. I've never once been found by any group within law enforcement or without to have acted inappropriatly or used excessive force.

Even when you look at the "unarmed" suspects who were killed in the US, most died trying to take the officers gun. 10% of all US officers killed by gunfire each year are killed with their own weapons.

Its clear from your post that you could care less about my safety and that's the difference between us Bro.

Frankly I haven't seen any concern on your part for anyone's safety here at TMP, which was the only point of this post to begin with.

You have an agenda to push and when people don't listen to you, you get angry and throw poo. Cool for you Bro. It will be easy for you to post your angry rant from the safety of your home today while I'm outside trying to make an actual difference.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 11:16 a.m. PST

Private Matter, being a warrior and having a warrior mentality has ZERO to do segregating us from the people we police.

I AM a public servant (and proudly so). But being a warrior has NOTHING to do with the uniform I wear and equipment I carry.

The ONLY thing being a warrior (to me) is having a proper mindset so that if I get shot in the face, I won't curl up in a foetal ball and just bleed to death.

I'll fight through the injury and survive. That's all a warrior mindset is.

I find it funny that the entirety of the people who condemn having a warrior mindset actually have no idea what it means and never are have worked in law enforcement, lol.

Martin From Canada01 Jun 2020 11:18 a.m. PST

US cops shoot and kill 1,000 people a year. 97% of those killed were armed in some way.

Canada has about 15 per year for a population that's 1/10 the size, and much higher levels of civilian accountability.

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Maybe there's something systematically wrong when US numbers are an order of magnitude larger than any other advanced economy when adjusting for population.


Frankly I haven't seen any concern on your part for anyone's safety here at TMP, which was the only point of this post to begin with.

It got snipped, but I was explicitly concerned for reporters that were being deliberately targeted by cops…

The ONLY thing being a warrior (to me) is having a proper mindset so that if I get shot in the face, I won't curl up in a foetal ball and just bleed to death.

I'll fight through the injury and survive. That's all a warrior mindset is.

What about those being policed? If you're always on edge for getting attacked, how easy is it to find deescalation paths? This falls back to true legitimacy as having the consent of the governed rather than their submission.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 11:19 a.m. PST

"BTW, I am glad to be anti-fascist"

If only you were anti fascist. You're anti society. There's a difference.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian01 Jun 2020 11:23 a.m. PST

Please, if you want to discuss politics, adjourn to the Blue Fez. That would include such topics as George Floyd, Antifa, mayors and politicians, policing in America, race relations, etc.

If you want to report on the facts concerning riots in your area, then proceed.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 11:27 a.m. PST

"Canada has about 15 per year for a population that's 1/10 the size, and much higher levels of civilian accountability.

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Maybe there's something systematically wrong when US numbers are an order of magnitude larger than any other advanced economy."

That's because Canada has nothing remotely resembling Watts, Compton, Long Beach, Chicago, Detroit and New York to name but a few.

When poor people stop killing poor people in America then Cops can stop patrolling poor cities aggressively. US cops of all races kill about 500 African Americans per year.

Know who WAY out does the police in killing black men?…..other black men. Black males in the US kill between 6-10,000 other black males PER YEAR. But as an Anarchist, you're not concerned with those dead black men because that doesn't fit you agenda that you rage abut from your parents basement. Convenient.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2020 11:28 a.m. PST

Editor Bill, I just saw your post after I posted my last comment. Sorry, consider me warned and done with this topic. It's old.

darthfozzywig01 Jun 2020 2:01 p.m. PST

aggressively

charared01 Jun 2020 2:07 p.m. PST

Repique, please come back to the fezz and educate us.

Private Matter01 Jun 2020 4:55 p.m. PST

Uesugi Kenshin – Let me clarify what I meant in saying Police are not warriors. Some are have a mental fortitude that reflects strength and discipline of warriors, some lack that mental toughness and discipline. As they are a reflection of our society for all of its positives and negatives. Fortunately the vast majority of Police join the service to give back to society and do so throughout their careers. Unfortunately some, and a small some at that, become calloused and forget why they joined,; they begin to look at people only in the negative or are dismissive of them as individuals. That is when they make the mistakes made by an officer in Minneapolis. If you are a police office you know what I am saying is true.

I wasn't condemning the Warrior mindset, I was implying that falling back on it for all officers will not work. I know all about mental toughness and what is perceived to be "the Warrior mindset." I'm also too painfully aware of how it is tossed around by folks who only fall back on the "toughness" while ignoring the "discipline" parts. The Warrior Mindset talks about mental toughness to keep pushing on when others would give up and that isn't just physical. In fact is rooted in discipline and confidence and dedication to completing the mission.

My post is not a condemnation of Police in any way shape or form. The only complaint is when training and supervision on a police service fall short.

Andrew Walters01 Jun 2020 7:01 p.m. PST

Well, now it's a half mile from my house. That escalated quickly. Rumors are all over social media, hard to tell what's happening. Supposed to be things happening tonight, tomorrow, Thursday. Can't hear anything, so that's good. Apparently the best place to show you concern for police excess is jewelry stores, Target, and Best Buy. Family run restaurants are boarding up.

A half mile is a long way in this case, and there's a creek and a couple fences in between. But there are bridges, and a hole in the fence. I know it's been closer to some other TMPers.

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2020 3:42 a.m. PST

I've been in law enforcement 32 years in 2 seperate states / territories in Oz. I've been punched, clubbed, rammned, spat at, threatened with speargun, avoided machete, sword, axe and a couple of others I forget. I have a few scars but luckily all limbs and no lead in my body. I've been accused of doing things that I never did because I wear a shirt that if I didn't wear it, means I could act like a scumbag and be a victim. Every time, every time, the accuser has apologised or the courts have dismissed it. I have never abused my power.
Yes, some cops, police or whatever you want to call them are bad. You deal with sh*t every day it rubs off. But 99.9% of the cops I deal with are decent people doing a job people don't want but are happy to criticise. Do a good thing, no-one wants to know; do something the society or social media wants to inflate and look out, trial by media, trial by jury.
The death was wrong from what I have seen, no question, no excuse. The protests (peacefully) are legitimate, the looting is not and is anarchy and nothing but thuggery; tell me how this protests anything? As Uesegi says, all police I know straight away said this is unforgiveable and homicide.
This was a post about public safety; if you ain't a police officer and I know multiple members of this thread are, please do not make it seem ACAB (side note: how old is that folks, really come up with a new insult). If we can't say all protestors are anarchists, then why is it acceptable to say this is about police behaviour.
Its a tough and thankless job. Bruises, blood tests, and hospital visits, try it….
Everybody stay safe, everybody change what is needed to change.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2020 5:24 a.m. PST

No riots near me: I live in Australia. To share some words of the PM: "They were terribly disturbing," Mr Morrison said on 2GB this morning.

"As upsetting and terrible as the murder was, it is shocking, it also made me cringe.

"And I just think to myself how wonderful a country is Australia.

"We have our problems, we have our faults, we have our issues there's no doubt about that.

"But when I see things like that, I am just very thankful for the wonderful country we live in."

Certainly problems & injustices here but nothing like that as in the US.

My 26 year old daughter, smart,beautiful, funny & strong, lives in London. She's going to a rally at Hyde Park on Wednesday to express support for those protesting against the situation that resulted in George Floyd's murder.

As her father, I'd prefer she didn't go but I raised a socially-conscious girl, Catholic-educated and very much aware of the need to stand up for what she believes & for those who are oppressed. God Bless everyone who stands up for what is right.

I'll finish with more from Scott Morrison : "We wish the US all the best as they deal with that." We all do.

Kevin C02 Jun 2020 7:12 a.m. PST

No riots near me. I grew up in a community that at that time was 90% white and prominently poor and, despite these facts, had Black members of the city council and school board. If you ever locked your keys in your car, then the police were more than happy to come and unlock your door for you whether you were black or white. Fifteen years ago I taught at a HBCU in a town that was overwhelming black. Often I would go for days without seeing another white person. Nevertheless, in the three years that I lived in that community, I was never once treated badly because of my race (I am white). Point being, the U.S. is a very diverse country, and the images that you see on TV don't reflect reality in much of the US, but images of peaceful communities don't make for high ratings for new agencies and don't play into the hands of politicians from across the political spectrum who love to play on people's fears.

Private Matter02 Jun 2020 8:16 a.m. PST

+1 Korsun0

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian02 Jun 2020 9:36 a.m. PST

Riot with violence and looting in Albany again last night, and the news reports that some of the people from my area (and surrounded communities) are going there to loot. Family Dollar store looted.

Disturbing video from Sunday night (I think) showing protestor throwing firebomb at mounted police. Whether by intention or luck, it went off some distance away from the horses; the horses stayed calm.

I wish the rioters realized how hard it was to get businesses to move into low-income and downtown areas, and how this sort of action will drive them back out again.

Asteroid X02 Jun 2020 11:41 a.m. PST

So this thread's why the Science board has been so quiet ..

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2020 1:37 p.m. PST

ochoin

I'll agree with ochoin (+1) to a certain extent. What might be a difference in policing in the US vs. Oz is the 4 centuries of slavery and oppression of people of color (I believe you have some of that in Oz), the institutional use of power to keep people of color subordinate and the constant push to keep white privilege. Unfortunately for the shrinking white majority, it is shrinking and white privilege is under assault from those who are tired of being kept down, humiliated and physically threatened.

While the vast majority of US police officers are decent people doing a dangerous and shitty job, it is also not a profession that appeals to certain segments of the general population, nor is usually representative of the larger cities' population by race and/or language. Most unfortunate.

Racism has been an unending curse to this country since 1619 and one would be foolish to pretend otherwise. Improvements have been slow (and small) to happen. People of color are constantly threatened, humiliated and even killed. The numbers of police shootings of unarmed black men is 2-3 times that of whites. Continued studies show that people of color are refused housing, employment and rights several times more than whites of the same economic/social class. As a member of a mixed race family, conversations over my ability to go out, shop, drive in public, deposit a check, apply for a job, etc., differ widely from my step-brother and step-sister (both well educated and highly skilled in their professions). My step-father, a retired US Army LC Ranger is followed in stores when shopping, has been stopped when driving and asked to prove that he lives on the property that he has owned for 30 years. This is just the general atmosphere an American black grows up in, while an American white is generally totally ignorant of how the average black is forced to live and experience life.

This does not mean that other countries don't have their own brand of racial hate and victimization of one just for their skin color, but it does seem to be much worse here.

We have a predominantly white police force in this country. A much higher rate of colored people are killed (just to point out one measure) by that police force. A silent refusal to weed out bad officers, low to high, acceptance of demonstrated racism, criminal behavior and inability to actually work to be the best police force has led over the years to an acceptance, decade after decade of police killings and misbehavior with no seeming major progress.

If I seem passion about this historic failure of the US to live up to its stated beliefs and dreams, then I am guilty. Yes, the violence and looting is criminal and should be vigorously prosecuted. But lets not forgive what caused this reaction by a small percentage of the community (black and white), in seemingly every generation as the victims reach a boiling point, are frustrated, demand justice and do not get it.

In closing, too many police officers think that they are the "law", not just an employee up holding the law, not just protecting everyone, not that they are members of the greater community, but that they have the power and right to judge and execute the law. George Floyd was merely the latest victim to experience their application.

Mithmee02 Jun 2020 6:51 p.m. PST

express support for those protesting against the situation that resulted in George Floyd's murder.

So support to looters and those just out to destroy things.

Oh and it is up to a jury to decide that last bit.

But why need a trial when almost everyone has already convicted the officer in question.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2020 6:58 p.m. PST

(I believe you have some of that in Oz)
I could quote you chapter & verse on Australia's failings in this area. Some things have been done,some still need to be.

Racism has been an unending curse to this country

Leave off the last three words.

If I seem passion about this historic failure of the US to live up to its stated beliefs and dreams, then I am guilty.

Your passion does you nothing but credit & my respect.

too many police officers think that they are the "law"

Lord Acton summed it up well: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men…"
A bit like American school shootings, the murder of people of colour – & others- in the US by the police are so frequently shown in the media here, they all tend to blur together. The consequences for their actions seem to be very inconsistent.

The US has a lot to do in the short term & more to do in the long term. I wish you all success in bringing everyone in your country together.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2020 7:04 p.m. PST

So support to looters and those just out to destroy things.

That is a contemptible thing to write. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself.

Asteroid X02 Jun 2020 7:52 p.m. PST

There are many who are using this as an excuse:

Stop calling miscreant criminals "protesters". I've been a protester much of my life and I've never smashed anyone's face, glass, property or … anything. People who use violence aren't trying to convince anyone of anything. They like to see the world burn. They are a cancer.

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Then there is Jon Jones:

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The New York Post showed a picture of two armed white men in Minneapolis defending businesses against looters and referred to them as rednecks ( link ).

Shore News, showed the original picture the New York Post edited ( link ).

The original picture showed two white men and two black men armed standing shoulder to shoulder defending small business. The C******** News Network is trying to create racial tensions in the hope that people will support extremism/division.

Do not believe the media hype and spin doctoring.

Alinsky would be happy.

darthfozzywig02 Jun 2020 9:18 p.m. PST

"Alinsky"

Don't forget the boogeyman "Soros!"

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