"500+ Scientists State There is No Global Warming" Topic

Late last month, while young Greta Thunberg was slamming the UN's climate summit for not doing enough to combat climate change, an international group of more than 500 scientists and experts sent a letter to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres saying the exact opposite.

According to the scientists' letter, which they called a "European Climate Declaration," there is no "climate emergency," and warned that "the general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for the purpose."

According to the declaration, the models currently in use exaggerate the effects of CO2 as a greenhouse gas and "ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial."

University of Saskatchewan Geologist Dr. Brian Pratt was one of the signatories on the letter, and he joins Gormley to discuss why he thinks the climate emergency is overblown.

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"Scientists "

500 sounds like a big number, but there is probably several hundred thousands or millions of real scientist that not only accepts climate change but also works directly or indirectly with it.

So those 500 are like 0.000001% of scientist.

Why do not think the change from Global Warming to…

Climate Change

Because Global Warming was not happening.

We already have snow in the mountain passes here and well you can just check the news to see what happened over in Montana a week or so ago.

So Global Warming is not happening and either is Climate Change.

But it is about Control & Money so that is why the Experts; John Kerry, AOC, Jay Inslee, Al Gore and many others are claiming that we are all going to die in a few years.

But it is about Control & Money so that is why the Experts; John Kerry, AOC, Jay Inslee, Al Gore and many others are claiming that we are all going to die in a few years.

1) That's a list of politicians, not experts. They are not publishing research in peer-reviewed journals.
2) As I've explained ad nauseam, the 12 years isn't going to have an earth shattering kaboom, but more of a bingo fuel status – in that we've used up our carbon budget to give us a 50% chance of keeping warming under 1.5C.

So Global Warming is not happening and either is Climate Change.

So glaciers are retreating, ice caps are shrinking, tree lines are moving towards the poles just to help install a proletarian paradise /s. I get that you and WMeyers see watermelons everywhere, but there's plenty of evidence showing that global warming is happening (aforementioned glaciers, snow extent, tree line, thawing permafrost, change in wind patterns in the air column, ect… and all without the need to use the temperature record. This is concillience, where the ensemble of evidence points in the same direction. (And having that direction predicated on "not happening" despite incompatible mechanisms doesn't count)

Maertin,

1) Did you even listen to Prof. Pratt?

2) Did you listen to all of it?

3)

1) That's a list of politicians, not experts.

No, they are not! Neither was the White House's so-called "top climate scientist" under a previous administration.

However, ALL of the 500+ signees of this declaration are.

That's a list of politicians, not experts. They are not publishing research in peer-reviewed journals.

True but they are the face of the Global Warmers/Climate Change Alarmist and are on the Evening News harping about what a crisis we are facing.

They are the Experts.

So glaciers are retreating, ice caps are shrinking,

Nothing that hasn't happen many times before and will happen again in the future.

but there's plenty of evidence showing that global warming is happening

No there is not and maybe the 4 feet of snow was due to it getting to hot in Montana or the nearly foot of snow that we got yesterday in the Mountains here in the Pacific NW.

You claimed that the world is burning up and it is not doing that.

Each new Hurricane is another "SUPER STORM" .

Dorian was suppose to destroy Florida and it never even made landfall in Florida.

Jay Inslee has claimed that nearly every single major fire that we had seen here in Washington State is due to Global Warming/Climate Change.

Lying but something is not going to make it true.

Your experts are making up numbers just to show that what they are claiming is actually happening.

1) That's a list of politicians, not experts.

No, they are not! Neither was the White House's so-called "top climate scientist" under a previous administration.

However, ALL of the 500+ signees of this declaration are.

I was responding to Mithmee's assertion that a collection of politicians with ZERO peer reviewed publications were experts in the field.

As for the GWPF dirty 500, not impressed. Basically a who's-who of climate disinformers.

As for Dr. Brian Pratt of University of Sask., here's his publication history:

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Publications

BOOKS AND MONOGRAPHS:

Robson, S.P. and Pratt, B.R., 2007, Late Marjuman (Cambrian) Linguliformean Brachiopods from the Deadwood Formation of South Dakota. Palaeontographica Canadiana No. 27, 95 p.

Pratt, B.R., 1992. Trilobites of the Marjuman and Steptoean Stages (Upper Cambrian), Rabbitkettle Formation, Southern Mackenzie Mountains, Northwest Canada. Palaeontographica Canadiana No. 9, 179 p.

EDITED BOOKS:

Pratt, B.R. and Holmden, C., eds., 2008. Dynamics of Epeiric Seas. Geological Association of Canada, Special Paper 48, 406 p.
Monty, C.L.V., Bosence, D., Bridges, P.H. and Pratt, B.R., eds., 1995. Carbonate Mud-mounds, Their Origin and Evolution. International Association of Sedimentologists, Special Publication 23, 537 p.

PAPERS REFEREED:

Kimmig, J., and Pratt, B.R., 2018. Coprolites in the Ravens Throat River Lagerstätte of northwestern Canada: implications for the middle Cambrian food web: Palaios, v. 33, p. 125–140.

Pratt, B.R., 2017, The Mesoproterozoic Belt Supergroup in Glacier and Waterton Lakes national parks, northwestern Montana and southwestern Alberta: Sedimentary facies and syndepositional deformation, in Hsieh, J.C.C., ed., Geologic Field Trips of the Canadian Rockies: 2017 Meeting of the GSA Rocky Mountain Section: Geological Society of America Field Guide 48, p. 123–135.

Head, M.J., Aubry, M.-P., Walker, M., Miller, K.G., and Pratt, B.R., 2017. A case for official recognition of subseries (subepochs) for the Cenozoic Era: Episodes, v. 40, p. 22–27.

Pratt, B.R., and van Heerde, J., 2017. An arborescent lycopsid stem fragment from the Palliser Formation (Famennian) carbonate platform, southwestern Alberta, Canada, and its paleogeographic and paleoclimatic significance. Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, v. 54, p. 141–145.

Törő, B., and Pratt, B.R., 2016. Sedimentary record of seismic events in the Eocene Green River Formation and its implications for regional tectonics on lake evolution (Bridger Basin, Wyoming). Sedimentary Geology, v.

Łabaj, M.A., and Pratt, B.R., 2016. Depositional dynamics in a mixed carbonate–siliciclastic system: middle–upper Cambrian Abrigo Formation, southeastern Arizona. Journal of Sedimentary Research, v. 86, p. 11–37.
Törő, B., and Pratt, B.R., 2015. Characteristics and implications of sedimentary deformation features in the Green River Formation (Eocene) in Utah and Colorado. In: Birgenheier, L., Ressetar, R., and Vanden Berg, M., eds., The Uinta Basin and Uinta Mountains: in Vanden Berg, M.D., Ressetar, R., and Birgenheier, L.P., editors, Geology of Utah's Uinta Basin and Uinta Mountains: Utah Geological Association Publication 44, p. 371–422.
Keighley, D., Törő, B., Vanden Berg, M.D., and Pratt, B.R., in press. Deformation within the Mahogany Oil Shale Zone of the Green River Formation at Sand Wash, Eastern Utah, USA. In: Birgenheier, L., Ressetar, R., and Vanden Berg, M., eds., The Uinta Basin and Uinta Mountains: Utah Geological Association Guidebook.
Kimmig, J., and Pratt, B.R., in press. Depositional environment and taphonomy of the middle Cambrian (Drumian) Ravens Throat River Lagerstätte, Northwest Territories, Canada. Lethaia, v. 48. [accepted 23 February 2015]
Törő, B., and Pratt, B.R., 2015. Eocene paleoseismic record of the Green River Formation, Fossil Basin, Wyoming, U.S.A.: Implications of synsedimentary deformation structures in lacustrine carbonate mudstones. Journal of Sedimentary Research, v. 85, p. 855–884.
Törő, B., Pratt, B.R., and Renaut, R.W., 2015. Tectonically induced change in lake evolution recorded by seismites in the Eocene Green River Formation, Wyoming. Terra Nova, v. 27, p. 218–224.

Durbano, A., Pratt, B.R., Hadlari, T.H., and Dewing, K., 2015. Sedimentology of an early Cambrian tide-dominated embayment: Quyuk Formation, Victoria Island, Arctic Canada. Sedimentary Geology, v. 320, p. 1–18.

Kimmig, J., and Pratt, B.R., 2015. Soft-bodied biota from the middle Cambrian (Drumian) Rockslide Formation, Mackenzie Mountains, northwestern Canada. Journal of Paleontology, v. 89, p. 51–71.
Pushie, M.J., Pratt, B.R., Pickering, I.J., George, G.N., and MacDonald, T.C., 2014. Evidence for biogenic copper (hemocyanin) in the Middle Cambrian arthropod Marrella from the Burgess Shale. Palaios, v. 29, p. 512–524.
Pratt, B.R., and Bordonaro, O.L., 2014. Early Middle Cambrian trilobites from La Laja Formation, Cerro El Molle, Precordillera of western Argentina. Journal of Paleontology, v. 88, p. 906–924.
Zhang, X.-g., and Pratt, B.R., 2014. Possible algal origin and life cycle of Ediacaran Doushantuo microfossils with dextral spiral. Journal of Paleontology, v. 88, p. 92–98.
Shen, C., Pratt, B.R., and Zhang X.-g., 2014. Phosphatized coprolites from the middle Cambrian (Stage 5) Duyun fauna of China. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, v. 410, p. 104–112.
Shen, C., Pratt, B.R., Lan,T., Hou, J.-b., Chen, L., Hao, B.-q. and Zhang, X.-g., 2013. The search for Orsten-type fossils in southern China. Palaeoworld, v. 22, p. 1–9.
MacNaughton, R.B., Pratt, B.R., and Fallas, K.M., 2013. Observations on Cambrian stratigraphy in the eastern Mackenzie Mountains, Northwest Territories. Geological Survey of Canada, Current Research 2013-10, 7 pp.
Dewing, K., Pratt, B.R., Hadlari, T., Brent, T., Bédard, J., and Rainbird, R.H., 2013. Newly identified "Tunnunik" impact structure, Prince Albert Peninsula, northwestern Victoria Island, Arctic Canada. Meteoritics & Planetary Science, v. 28, p. 211–223.
Zalasiewicz, J., Cita, M.B., Hilgen, F., Pratt, B.R., Strasser, A., Thierry, J., and Weissert, H., 2013. Chronostratigraphy and geochronology: A proposed realignment. GSA Today, v. 23, no. 3, p. 4–8.
Bordonaro, O.L., Pratt, B.R. and Robledo, V., 2013. Systematic, morphometric and paleobiogeographic study of Blainia gregaria Walcott, 1916 (Trilobita, Ptychopariida), Middle Cambrian of the Precordillera of western Argentina. Geological Journal, v. 47, p. 126–141.
Desjardins, P.R., Buatois, L.A., Pratt, B.R., and Mángano, M.G., 2012. Subtidal sandbody architecture and ichnology in the Early Cambrian Gog Group of western Canada: Implications for an integrated sedimentologic–ichnologic model of tide-dominated shelf settings. Sedimentology. (accepted 17 October 2011)
El Taki, H., and Pratt, B.R., 2012. Syndepositional tectonic activity in an epicontinental basin revealed by deformation of subaqueous carbonate laminites and evaporites: Red River strata (Upper Ordovician) of southern Saskatchewan, Canada. Bulletin of Canadian Petroleum Geology. (accepted 27 April 2012)
Desjardins, P.R., Buatois, L.A., Pratt, B.R., and Mángano, M.G., 2012. Forced-regressive tidal flats: Response to falling sea level in tide-dominated settings. Journal of Sedimentary Research. v. 82, p. 149–162. [Current Ripple article]
Hadlari, T., Davis, W.J., Dewing, K., Heaman, L.M., Lemieux, Y., Ootes, L., Pratt, B.R. and Pyle, L.J., 2012. Two detrital zircon signatures for the Cambrian passive margin of Laurentia highlighted by new U-Pb results from northern Canada: Geological Society of America Bulletin, v. 124, p. 1155–1168.
Pratt, B.R., Raviolo, M.M. and Bordonaro, O.L., 2012. Carbonate platform dominated by peloidal sands: Lower Ordovician La Silla Formation of the eastern Precordillera, San Juan, Argentina. Sedimentology, v. 59, p. 843–866.
Zhang, X.-G., Pratt, B.R. and Shen, C., 2011. Embryonicdevelopment of a Middle Cambrian (500 Myr old)scalidophoran worm. Journal of Paleontology, v. 85, p. 898–903.
Pratt, B.R., 2011. Molar-tooth structure, in Reitner, J., Thiel, V. eds., Encyclopedia of Geobiology. Springer, Dordrecht, p. 662–666. [invited]
Desjardins, P.R., Buatois, L.A., Mángano, M.G., and Pratt, B.R., 2010. Skolithos pipe rock and associated ichnofabrics in the St. Piran Formation, Gog Group, southern Rocky Mountains, Canada: Colonisation trends and environmental controls in an Early Cambrian sand-sheet complex: Lethaia, v. 43, p. 507–528.
Raviolo, M.M., Bordonaro, B.L., and Pratt, B.R., 2010. Trombolitos (arrecifes microbiales) del morfogénero Favosamaceria en el Cámbrico Superior de la Precordillera Oriental, San Juan, Argentina: Ameghiniana, v. 47, p. 331–341.
Pratt, B.R., 2010. 16. Peritidal carbonates. In James, N.P., and Dalrymple, R.W., eds., Facies Models 4, p. 401–420. GEOtext 4. Geological Association of Canada, St. John's. [invited]
Desjardins, P.R., Pratt, B.R., Buatois, L.A., and Mángano, M.G., 2010. Stratigraphy and sedimentary environments of the Lower Cambrian Gog Group in the southern Rocky Mountains of western Canada: transgressive sandstones on a broad continental margin. Bulletin of Canadian Petroleum Geology, v. 58, p. 403–439.
El Taki, H., and Pratt, B.R., 2009. Synsedimentary deformation in laminated dolomites and evaporites of the Herald Formation (Red River Group): signature of Late Ordovician tectonic activity in southern Saskatchewan, in Summary of Investigations 2009, Volume 1, Saskatchewan Geological Survey, Saskatchewan Ministry of Energy and Resources, Miscellaneous Report 2009-4.1, Paper A-3, 10 pp.
Catuneanu, O., J.P. Bhattacharya, M.D. Blum, R.W. Dalrymple, P.G. Eriksson, C.R. Fielding, W.L. Fisher, W.E. Galloway, P. Gianolla, M.R. Gibling, K.A. Giles, J.M. Holbrook, R. Jordan, C.G.St.C. Kendall, B. Macurda, O.J. Martinsen, A.D. Miall, D. Nummedal, H.W. Posamentier, B.R. Pratt, K.W. Shanley, R.J. Steel, A. Strasser, M.E. Tucker, 2010. Sequence stratigraphy: common ground after three decades of development. First Break, v. 28, p. 21–34.
Aubry, M.-P., Van Couvering, J.A., Christie-Blick, N., Landing, E., Pratt, B.R., Owen, D.E., and Ferrusquía-Villafranca, I., 2009. Terminology of geological time: Establishment of a community standard: Stratigraphy, v. 6, p. 100–105.
Catuneanu, O., V. Abreu, J.P. Bhattacharya, M.D. Blum, R.W. Dalrymple, P.G. Eriksson, C.R. Fielding, W.L. Fisher, W.E. Galloway, M.R. Gibling, K.A. Giles, J.M. Holbrook, R. Jordan, C.G.St.C. Kendall, B. Macurda, O.J. Martinsen, A.D. Miall, J.E. Neal, D. Nummedal, L. Pomar, H.W. Posamentier, B.R. Pratt, J.F. Sarg, K.W. Shanley, R.J. Steel, A. Strasser, M.E. Tucker, C. Winker, 2009. Reply to comments of W. Helland-Hansen on "Towards the standardization of sequence stratigraphy." by Catuneanu et al. Earth-Science Reviews, v. 94, p. 98–100.
Catuneanu, O., V. Abreu, J.P. Bhattacharya, M.D. Blum, R.W. Dalrymple, P.G. Eriksson, C.R. Fielding, W.L. Fisher, W.E. Galloway, M.R. Gibling, K.A. Giles, J.M. Holbrook, R. Jordan, C.G.St.C. Kendall, B. Macurda, O.J. Martinsen, A.D. Miall, J.E. Neal, D. Nummedal, L. Pomar, H.W. Posamentier, B.R. Pratt, J.F. Sarg, K.W. Shanley, R.J. Steel, A. Strasser, M.E. Tucker, C. Winker, 2009. Toward the standardization of sequence stratigraphy. Earth-Science Reviews, v. 92, p. 1–33.
Pratt, B.R. and Holmden, C., 2008, Introduction. In: Pratt, B.R. and Holmden, C., eds., The Dynamics of Epeiric Seas. Geological Association of Canada, Special Paper 48, p. 1–5.
Pratt, B.R. and Haidl, F.M., 2008, Microbial patch reefs in Upper Ordovician Red River strata, Williston Basin, Saskatchewan: signal of heating in a deteriorating epeiric sea. In: Pratt, B.R. and Holmden, C., eds., The Dynamics of Epeiric Seas. Geological Association of Canada, Special Paper 48, p. 303–340.
Peterhänsel, A. and Pratt, B.R., 2008, The Famennian (Upper Devonian) Palliser platform of western Canada—architecture and depositional dynamics of a post-extinction giant. In: Pratt, B.R. and Holmden, C., eds., The Dynamics of Epeiric Seas. Geological Association of Canada, Special Paper 48, p. 247–281.
Zhang, X.-g., and Pratt, B.R., 2008, Microborings in Early Cambrian phosphatic and phosphatized fossils. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, v. 267, p. 185–195.
Bordonaro, O.L., Banchig, A.L., Pratt, B.R., and Raviolo, M.M., 2008, Trilobite-based biostratigraphic model (biofacies and biozonation) for the Middle Cambrian carbonate platform of the Argentine Precordillera. Geologica Acta, v. 6, p. 115–129.
Raviolo, M.M., Bordonaro, O.L. and Pratt, B.R., 2007, Revisión estratigráfica y litofacial de la Formación La Silla (Ordovícico Inferior) en la Precordillera Oriental de San Juan, Argentina. Latin American Journal of Sedimentology and Basin Analysis, v. 14, p. 117–128.
Robson, S.P. and Pratt, B.R., 2007, Predation of late Marjuman (Cambrian) linguliformean brachiopods from the Deadwood Formation of South Dakota. Lethaia, v. 40, p. 19–32.
Pratt, B.R. and Bordonaro, O.L., 2007, Tsunamis in a stormy sea: Middle Cambrian inner shelf limestones of western Argentina. Journal of Sedimentary Research, v. 77, p. 256–262 [Current Ripple article]
Pratt, B. R., 2007. Middle and Upper Cambrian Girvanella reefs—Microbial tufas. In: Facies from Palaeozoic Reefs and Bioaccumulations, Álvaro, J.J., Vennin, E., Munnecke, A., Boulvain, F., Vachard, D. and Aretz, M. (coords.). Publications of the Muséum National d'Histoire Naturelle, Paris (distributed by Springer-Verlag, Berlin), p. 65–67.
Pratt, B. R., 2007. Shallow-water Ordovician reefs from Canada. In: Facies from Palaeozoic Reefs and Bioaccumulations, Álvaro, J.J., Vennin, E., Munnecke, A., Boulvain, F., Vachard, D. and Aretz, M. (coords.). Publications of the Muséum National d'Histoire Naturelle, Paris (distributed by Springer-Verlag, Berlin), p. 83–85.
Pratt, B. R., 2005. Neoproterozoic predator-prey dynamics. McGraw-Hill 2005 Yearbook of Science & Technology, McGraw-Hill, New York, pp. 229-232. [invited entry]
Dewing, K., J. C. Harrison, B. R. Pratt, and U. Mayr, 2004. A probable Late Neoproterozoic age for the Kennedy Channel and Ella Bay formations, northeastern Ellesmere Island, and its implications for passive margin history of the Canadian Arctic. Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, v. 41, pp. 1013-1025.
Coniglio, M., R. Frizzell, and B. R. Pratt, 2004. Reef-capping laminites in the Upper Silurian carbonate-to-evaporite transition in the Michigan Basin, southwestern Ontario. Sedimentology, v. 51, pp. 653-668.
Hua H., B. R. Pratt, and Zhang L.-Y., 2003. Borings in Cloudina shells: Complex predator-prey dynamics in the terminal Neoproterozoic. Palaios, v. 18, pp. 453-458.
Pratt, B. R., 2003. Stromatolites, in G. V. Middleton (ed.), Enclyclopedia of Sediments and Sedimentary Rocks. Encyclopedia of Earth Sciences Series, Fairbridge, R.W., and Rampino, M. (series eds.). Kluwer Academic, Dordrecht, pp. 688-690. [invited entry].
Robson, S.P., G.S. Nowlan, and B.R. Pratt, 2003. Upper Cambrian linguliformean brachiopods from the Deadwood Formation of subsurface Alberta and Saskatchewan, Canada. Journal of Paleontology, v. 77, pp. 201-211.
Pratt, B. R., 2002d. Tepees in peritidal carbonates: origin via earthquake-induced deformation, with example from the Middle Cambrian of western Canada. Sedimentary Geology, v. 153, pp. 57-64. [ExpresSed article]
Pratt, B. R., 2002c. Calcification of cyanobacterial filaments: Girvanella and the origin of lower Paleozoic lime mud: Comment and Reply—Reply. Geology, v. 30, p. 580.
Pratt, B. R., 2002b. Storms versus tsunamis: Dynamic interplay of sedimentary, diagenetic, and tectonic processes in the Cambrian of Montana. Geology, v. 30, pp. 423-426.
Pratt, B. R., 2002a. Occurrence of the siliceous sponge spicule Konyrium (Hexactinellida) in the Upper Cambrian of the Mackenzie Mountains, northwestern Canada. Journal of Paleontology, v. 76, pp. 565-569.
Peterhänsel, A., and B. R. Pratt, 2001. Nutrient-triggered bioerosion on a giant carbonate platform masking the Famennian post-extinction benthic community. Geology, v. 29, pp. 1079-1082.
Pratt, B. R., 2001c. Calcification of cyanobacterial filaments: Girvanella and the origin of lower Paleozoic lime mud. Geology, v. 29, pp. 763-766.
Pratt, B.R., B.R. Spincer, R.A. Wood and A. Yu. Zhuravlev, 2001. Ecology and evolution of Cambrian reefs. In A. Yu. Zhuravlev and R. Riding (eds.), Ecology of the Cambrian Radiation. Princeton University Press, Princeton, pp. 254-274.
Pratt, B. R., 2001b. Oceanography, bathymetry and syndepositional tectonics of a Precambrian intracratonic basin: integrating sediments, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis in the Belt Supergroup (Helena Formation, c. 1.45 Ga), western North America. Sedimentary Geology, v. 141-142, pp. 371-394.
Pratt, B. R., 2001a. Septarian concretions: internal cracking caused by synsedimentary earthquakes. Sedimentology, v. 48, pp. 189-213.
Robson, S.P. and B.R. Pratt, 2001. Cambrian and Ordovician linguliform brachiopods from the Shallow Bay Formation (Cow Head Group), western Newfoundland. Journal of Paleontology, v. 75, pp. 241-260.
Lee, J.G., D.K. Choi and B.R. Pratt, 2001. A teratological pygidium of the Upper Cambrian trilobite Eugonocare (Pseudeugonocare) bispinata from the Machari Formation, Korea. Journal of Paleontology, v. 75, pp. 216-218.
Zhang, X.-G., and B.R. Pratt, 2000. A varied Middle Ordovician sponge spicule assemblange from western Newfoundland. Journal of Paleontology, v. 74, pp. 386-393.
Pratt, B.R., 2000. Microbial contribution to reefal mud-mounds in ancient deep-water settings: evidence from the Cambrian. In R. Riding (ed.), Microbial Sediments. Springer, Berlin, pp. 282-288.
Pratt, B.R., 1999. Gas bubble and expansion crack origin of "molar-tooth" calcite structures in the middle Proterozoic Belt Supergroup, western Montana—Discussion. Journal of Sedimentary Research, v. 68, pp. 1136-1140.
Pratt, B.R., 1998a. Molar-tooth structure in Proterozoic carbonate rocks: Origin from synsedimentary earthquakes, and implications for the nature and evolution of basins and marine sediment. Geological Society of America Bulletin, v. 110, pp. 1028-1045.
Zhang, X.-G. and B.R. Pratt, 1998. Early Cambrian trilobite larvae and ontogency of Ichangia ichangensis (Protolenidae) from Henan, China. Journal of Paleontology, v. 73, pp. 117-128.
Pratt, B.R., 1998b. Syneresis cracks: subaqueous shrinkage in argillaceous sediments caused by earthquake-induced dewatering. Sedimentary Geology, v. 117, pp. 1-10. [ExpresSed article]
Pratt, B.R., 1998c. Probable predation of Upper Cambrian trilobites and its relevance for the extinction of soft-bodied Burgess Shale-type animals. Lethaia, v. 31, pp. 73-88.
Zhang, X.-G. and B.R. Pratt, 1996. Early Cambrian worm cuticles from Shaanxi, China. Journal of Paleontology, v. 70, pp. 275-279.
Pratt, B.R., L. M. Bernstein, A.C. Kendall and F.M. Haidl, 1996. Occurrence of reefal facies in Red River strata (Upper Ordovician), subsurface Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan Geological Survey, Summary of Investigations, pp. 147-152.
Pratt, B.R. 1995. The origin, biota and evolution of deep-water mud-mounds. In C.L.V. Monty, D. Bosence, P.H. Bridges and B.R. Pratt (eds.), Carbonate Mud-mounds, Their Origin and Evolution, International Association of Sedimentologists, Special Publication 23, pp. 49-123.
Pratt, B.R., 1994. Seismites in the Mesoproterozoic Altyn Formation (Belt Supergroup), Montana: A test for tectonic control of peritidal carbonate cyclicity. Geology, v. 22, pp. 1091-1094.
Zhang, X.-G. and B.R. Pratt, 1994. Middle Cambrian arthropod embryos with blastomeres. Science, v. 266, pp. 637-639.
Thompson, C.E. and B.R. Pratt, 1994. Preliminary stratigraphy of Lower and Middle Cambrian rocks, east-central Ellesmere Island, Canadian Arctic Islands. Geological Survey of Canada, Current Research 1994-E, pp. 165-168.
Zhang, X.-G. and B.R. Pratt, 1993. A new and extraordinary Early Cambrian sponge spicule assemblage from China. Geology, v. 22, pp. 43-46.
Zhang, X.-G. and B.R. Pratt, 1993. Early Cambrian ostracode larvae with univalved carapace. Science, v. 262, pp. 93-94.
Pratt, B.R. and J.D. Smewing, 1993b. Early Cretaceous platform margin, Oman, eastern Arabian Peninsula. In J.A.T. Simo, R.W. Scott and J.-P. Masse (eds.), Cretaceous Carbonate Platforms. American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Memoir 56, pp. 201-212.
Pratt, B.R. and A.D. Miall, 1993. Anatomy of a bioclastic grainstone mega-shoal (middle Silurian, southern Ontario) revealed by ground-penetrating radar. Geology, v. 21, pp. 223-226.
Pratt, B.R. and J.D. Smewing, 1993a. Early Cretaceous platform margin configuration and evolution in the central Oman Mountains, Arabian Peninsula. American Association of Petroleum Geologists Bulletin, v. 76, pp. 225-244.
Pratt, B.R., N.P. James and C.A. Cowan, 1992. Peritidal carbonates. In R.G. Walker and N.P. James (eds.), Facies Models, Response to Sea Level Change, Geological Association of Canada, pp. 303-322.
Pratt, B.R. and J.W.F. Waldron, 1991. A Middle Cambrian trilobite faunulae from the Meguma Group of Nova Scotia. Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, v. 28, pp. 1843-1853.
Pratt, B.R. 1991. Asteroid impact on brachiopods? Lethaia, v. 24, pp. 457-459.
Pratt, B.R. and J.D. Smewing, 1990. Jurassic and Lower Cretaceous platform margin facies and evolution, central Oman Mountains. In A.H.F. Robertson, M.P. Searle and A.C. Ries (eds.), The Geology and Tectonics of the Oman Region. Geological Society of London, Special Publication No. 49, pp. 69-88.
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Notice a theme? He's a stratigrapher – that is to say somebody who specialises in creating chronology from different layers of rocks often from various clues such as the fossil record – and not an expert on paleoclimate.

At least you found somebody who's an actual PhD researcher in a related field instead of somebody in a totally unrelated field or an engineer.

I'll stick to the consensus as expressed in the scientific litterature and synthisized in various reports such as the IPCC and the various national acadamies of sciences.

I don't think you answered 1 or 2 …

I don't think you answered 1 or 2 …

In light of answer 3 (not qualified), 1 and 2 are rendered moot.

I was responding to Mithmee's assertion that a collection of politicians with ZERO peer reviewed publications were experts in the field.

They are the face and to the uninform they are the experts.

Mr. Myers,

Given your apparent high degree of motivation to call Climate Change into question, I must ask:

1. Do you work for a Fossil Fuel company either directly or indirectly?

Just curious.

Ah Repiq being Repiq

We miss you over on the Blue Fez.

Dare I ask what the "blue fez" is?!

Repiqueone,

I hadn't even heard of this science sub board until I clicked on the 'dawghouse' one day a couple months ago.

I was quite dismayed to see Martin's posting about being an "educator" and trying to peddle, carte blanche, claims about global warming that have never been proven true.

I had never closely studied global warming beyond the fact I had known the weather has not been changing in any notable degree (1 degree in 140+ years is really nothing in light of how the climate changes every season and every day and every year – every single season of every single year I remember has been unique and different and the fluctuations vary greatly) and when this is juxtaposed with any rudimentary knowledge of history, one knows the past was much warmer than today (not some hypothetical prehistoric past but 1000+ years ago).

In addition, the social engineering of certain special interests in promoting their agenda through "global warming" was what initially set off alarm bells regarding objective reality.

Naturally I began to look a little deeper into the alarmism of global warming and those who continuously moan and wail about the "end times" while ignoring natural phenomenon tied with their disgusting and unnacceptable attacks against various groups (especially those who are religious and those who seemed to dare to present a voice of objection or even question their demands these claims be followed blindly and never questioned.

Having had this string of alarmist threads brought to my attention to this issue and I began paying more attention to what is being stated.

I found that repeatedly, despite what is being presented, those few on here who were attacking others with such disregard and hatred.

I have always hated bullies.

These few individuals were acting in such a discriminatory way.

I am not a physical science trained person. I am an historian (I have a B.A. in History), a teacher (B.Ed.) and two successive graduate degrees in Educational Psychology that I continued on with after my B.Ed. (so no oil and gas – but I do have ask why you would think such a thing – not a "just because you are going against global alarmism" dismissal, but an actual lengthy discernment of why you think someone who questions this party line of global alarmism would work for said industry?).

I can assert, with professional opinion, those on here who are acting in such a way of bullying and discrimination, clearly demonstrate diagnosable disorders, some borderline and some not.

To quietly allow them to continue to bully and harass others without presenting some clear alternate evidence is tantamount to complicity in their behaviours.

I have learned a lot about climate science and the more I learn and the more I observe about the reactions (and they are reactions, not actions) the more I am convinced global warming is purely alarmism.

Just look at the simple refusal to look at the declaration so many scientists have been willing to publically state and put their reputations on the line in such an hostile environment is telling. It is a simple state of denial.

I could go on professionally but unless someone is actually seeing me in a clinical setting and wanting to change or there are clearly enforceable laws governing their behaviours there is only so far I will go; anything more is a waste of my time and will likely just "trigger" them even more.

Now, the more I learn about global alarmism and the effects (emotional, physical and psychological) thereof, in addition to the dubious claims and clear lack of consensus, the media's extremely one-sided presentation, the social control mechanisms present, the censorship and the outright Orwellian extremism the more important climate alarmism needs to be questioned.

One needs to not just be a sceptic, but a sceptical sceptic.

Mr Meyers -- Blue Fez is where this thread belongs. It is where topics that are controversial are discussed.

It DOES seem to be getting a great deal warmer here.

Guess I'd better prepare to purchase a substantial life vest and a quantity of water-tight provisions to see me through this calamity.

How inconvenient. I HAD SO wanted to avoid such trivialities.

Dare I ask what the "Blue Fez" is?!

That is a place where you can discuss things that would get you put into the Dawghouse over here on TMP.

To get to it all you need to do is ask Bill the Editor to give you access.

But it has been petty dull for sometime now due to very low traffic.

No global warming!!!!!!

So, Don't Worry, Be Happy!

I wish we could say no bullies on TMP, but this board seems to attract them.

Yes and they tend to be on the side of…

Global Warming/Climate Change

I would also add they mostly are not paying members.

I had never closely studied global warming beyond the fact I had known the weather has not been changing in any notable degree (1 degree in 140+ years is really nothing in light of how the climate changes every season and every day and every year – every single season of every single year I remember has been unique and different and the fluctuations vary greatly) and when this is juxtaposed with any rudimentary knowledge of history, one knows the past was much warmer than today (not some hypothetical prehistoric past but 1000+ years ago).

You're using climate incorrectly here. Climate is the long-term average of weather. You are describing weather – and the effects of global warming on weather incorrectly at that, since global warming changes the average AND the variance of weather.

Furthermore, "small" changes in annual average temperatures can have very large changes in observed conditions. During the last glacial maximum, the world average temperature was about 6C colder than present, and 5 degrees colder than pre-industural temperatures. 5-6 degrees C is the difference between today and 1-2KM of ice over your location in Sask.

I have learned a lot about climate science and the more I learn and the more I observe about the reactions (and they are reactions, not actions) the more I am convinced global warming is purely alarmism.

But over the past few months, we're not really arguing about the science. As you've just admitted, you don't engage with the current literature, and base your epistemology (theory of knowledge) on what "triggers the libs". The only constant thread that underpins your posts is that Global Warming/Cimate Change is a hoax/over sold/watermelon plot*.

Just look at the simple refusal to look at the declaration so many scientists have been willing to publically state and put their reputations on the line in such an hostile environment is telling. It is a simple state of denial.

I don't have time to examine everything in detail from first principles. As such I have a Bayesian filter which I call my academic sniff test to see if something is worth spending time examining in depth. For climate stuff, it basically boils down to a) what mechanism is being proposed that replaces our best current model for representing the warming world (CO2 and other greenhouse gases), b) is this mechanism compatible with the laws of thermodynamics as we understand them, c) is this mechanism plausible (AKA show me the evidence). If it doesn't meet that very low bar, I don't have time for it, no matter who's name is written on the paper. And if the mechanism is particularly bad, I reserve the right to quote Wolfgang Pauli in response.

*Watermelon is green on the outside, and red/communist on the inside

Now I do wish that this was over on the Blue Fez.

But it is not.

Interesting article about the psychology of climate change deniers.

One reason for the refusal to accept the reality of climate change is what is called "motivated interference," which occurs when we hold a specific bias to ignore evidence. As science writer Nicole Mortillaro noted, this can include a general unease with large government projects that are expensive and interfere with individuals' lives. Other reasons, she writes, include "people whose livelihood is dependent on…the oil industry" and resentment of "government taking money out of [individuals'] pockets in the form of public spending on carbon mitigation efforts."

In addition to motivated interference, there is also a powerful psychological component to this blindness to scientific reality: denial. A lot has been written about climate change denial and there are clearly many explanations for it. For one thing, an enormous amount of money is being spent encouraging us to ignore climate change. Corporations, especially the fossil fuel industry, have spent huge sums attempting to obfuscate the reality of climate change. We are constantly told by them that "more data are needed" because "climate scientists don't agree." While no scientist would ever disagree with a call for more research—that line is, after all, found near the end of almost every scientific paper ever written—it just is not true that scientists don't agree that climate change is real. To some extent, then, we are the victims of a well-funded and sophisticated misinformation campaign that attempts to keep us in the dark about climate change.

But studies persistently show us that simply providing people with the facts about climate does not reliably change minds. The science that proves the earth is warming is very technical and difficult for most of us to grasp.

link

Condottiere,

One reason for the refusal to accept the reality of climate change is what is called …

… the realization there is no proof and a lot of doubt.

A good working definition of insanity is to be

out of touch with reality

.

The reality is there is no consensus in the scientific community.

YouTube link

link

PDF link

As for the errors in said linked article:

Mental health professionals are increasingly recognizing the critical role they play in combating climate change. Data suggest that rising temperatures are linked to increases in multiple psychiatric disorders and suicide rates. In an excellent review of the mental health aspects of climate change, a group from the Dalla Lana School of Public Health at the University of Toronto comment that "The overarching threats of a changing climate, can also incite despair and hopelessness as actions to address the ‘wicked problem' of climate change seem intangible or insignificant in comparison to the scale and magnitude of the threats."

It is not climate change the psychologist must combat, but the anxiety, depression, and other mental disorders brought on by the rampant alarmism.

An even bigger threat…

What is the long term psychotically effect to children who have been taught the their history is a litany of evil and they have no future?

If the goal is to destroy a generation, we have made a good start of it.

wmyers,

It is not climate change the psychologist must combat, but the anxiety, depression, and other mental disorders brought on by the rampant alarmism.

You are not a psychologist, so how can you possibly know the "hows and whys" of the impact of climate change on people's mental state? You cite no academic references to support your position, makes your statement laughable.

Furthermore, the denial by many of the overwhelming evidence-- willful ignorance, if you'd like--despite a very strong consensus that Climate Change is real--is the core issue in the article I referenced.

The link you originally posted has been debunked fairly thoroughly. Rather than go back and forth endlessly, as the article I reference states:

But studies persistently show us that simply providing people with the facts about climate does not reliably change minds. The science that proves the earth is warming is very technical and difficult for most of us to grasp.

Enjoy.

Condottiere:

The way I see it, the problem isn't whether or not people believe that "global warming" is real, the problem is what we can actually do about it.

You might be able to persuade the governments of the United States, France, Germany, Japan and the United Kingdom that the problem is real and they all have to reduce carbon emissions, but how do you persuade China, India and the third world to sign on to your program?

These are nations that want the same things in life that we have. They want nice flats, cars, jobs, meaningful careers and everything else that we take for granted. How do you tell them they have to give it all up in order to lower their "carbon signature?"

Then there is the issue of what you do to the citizens of your own country. Levy a "carbon offset tax" on everyone? A proposition that is rife with the potential for abuse and hypocrisy? I don't think so.

We don't need any more Cassandras. Propose a plan that is fair and will actually work in spite of human nature and I will be the first to subscribe.

Condottiere,

Actually, I am. (I have two consecutive post-graduate pieces of paper in psychology. You can do the math.)

What is "laughable", as you so gentlemanly put it, is that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, you literally assume (you know what that makes people) the primary error of the magazine article you linked to.

That error presupposes there is an alarmist level of global warming.

Follow the links I listed above and actually read, listen and watch them. Review the previous links that have been shared on here that show a distinct and concrete level of evidence, doubt, skepticism, all based on valid science by scientists.

All will show there is NO CONSENSUS among the scientific community regarding global warming/climate change.

Based on the evidence provided, the TRUE DENIERS are the ones who deny there is no scientific consensus regarding alarmist global warming/climate change.

The "willful ignorance" is to ignore the evidence.

It is clear you either choose to off-handedly reject the evidence presented, haven't done a lot of study, have your own agenda or … well, maybe it is too "difficult … to grasp".

As for your claim the link I posted has been "debunked", it is literally from last week and I would LOVE to see WHERE and HOW it was, as you so confidently claim, it was "debunked"?

(Just for the record, so you don't just keep digging yourself in even deeper – an apology and admission may help get you out – but despite Martin's simple uninformed rejection of Dr. Pratt, one of his (Pratt's) areas of expertise is Paleo-Climatology.)

Now, please be kind enough to share your credentials as you did state it's "very technical and difficult for most of us to grasp".

If someone tried to present, as you seem to have here, clearly unprepared, contradictory, uninformed and unresearched arguments in a court of law, they would be laughed out the door.

Trust me, I am enjoying, by the way.

All will show there is NO CONSENSUS among the scientific community regarding global warming/climate change.

Based on the evidence provided, the TRUE DENIERS are the ones who deny there is no scientific consensus regarding alarmist global warming/climate change.

"No Consensus" isn't an incantation that becomes more truthful the more you say it.

Care to list the multitude of national academies of science that disagree with the consensus position that the Earth is warming, that CO2 is the primary driver of this warming, and that human activities are mostly responsible for the increase in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere.

Wmeyers

What is this "Social Engineering" you are referring to? And, further, what media are you getting this term from and in what context?

Who are these special interest groups? Why cant they have an agenda? Are you suggesting that climate change deniers do not have an agenda?

Obviously, people are terrified enough about that young girl to need to bang the table that she's wrong. Why do think she frightens climate change deniers so severely? If climate change isnt real, what exactly is your issue with taking steps to prevent it? What do you think we're losing by taking a precaution in the face of a controversial situation? I mean, we take insurance out for things that might never come to pass. Do you believe in paying for insurance?

Also this:

Naturally I began to look a little deeper into the alarmism of global warming and those who continuously moan and wail about the "end times" while ignoring natural phenomenon tied with their disgusting and unnacceptable attacks against various groups (especially those who are religious and those who seemed to dare to present a voice of objection or even question their demands these claims be followed blindly and never questioned.

Why are religious groups involved in this? Who is attacking them and why does this matter to ultimate concerns over climate change?

I am so over al this climate change stuff – or what ever they are calling it this week – any chance of getting to the truth evaporated long ago when governments figured out that they could make money out of it – any chance of getting to the truth evaporated when scientists figured out that they also could make money out of it…

I am so over al this climate change stuff – or what ever they are calling it this week – any chance of getting to the truth evaporated long ago when governments figured out that they could make money out of it – any chance of getting to the truth evaporated when scientists figured out that they also could make money out of it…

Care to elaborate on the mechanism of self-enrichment? Let me run you some numbers by you and see if your hypothesis still makes sense. (N.B. This is in generalities, but each university might have some small exceptions here and there).

Professor X wins a 3-year/1 million dollar research grant to study some phenomenon. 333K a year sound great, but if only Professor X gets to pocket that. Universities will take a 40-60% rake off the top of all research grants – this covers rent, utilities, administration… For the sake of this example, let's split it down the middle and the university takes 50%. That leaves Professor X with $166 USD 666. From this amount, you'll need to fund lab equipment, grad student salaries and tuition (although some universities have state/provincial/federal funding to cover the fall and spring semesters, in that case, Professor X only needs to chip in for the summer semester), conference travel, publication fees for open access (many grants now require open acess publication. That's 150-6k per article).

As for putting that grant money directly into Professor X's pocket, the Prof's salary comes directly from the University, as such the only way that he can see grant money "directly" is that he buys-off teaching hours, effectively using that money to hire an adjunct/sessional lecturer to teach the courses they were due to teach. Furthermore, some institutions only pay salaries for 9 months of the year, so the prof need to collect funding for the summer months, but the salary for the summer months doesn't usually can't exceed the base salary rate.

On the other hand, 6 of the to 25 of the Fortune 2000 are oil and gas companies.

So where's the gravy train exactly, and who has financial incentives to spread their point of view to the contrary of all available evidence?

On the other hand, 6 of the to 25 of the Fortune 2000 are oil and gas companies.

Which means that 19 are not.

Careful on how you try to sell your side of the fake story.

Just in the past week two more states were hammered by snow storms and many other parts of the country experienced colder than normal temp's.

On the other hand, 6 of the to 25 of the Fortune 2000 are oil and gas companies.

Which means that 19 are not.
Careful on how you try to sell your side of the fake story.

And your point is? WTI and Brent has been rather low (historically speaking) over the past few years, and that has shrunk their the top-line numbers, and thus lower their rankings on the Fortune 2k relative to the early years of this decade where multiple oil and gas companies populated the top 10. Regardless, the point that oil and gas is a highly profitable industry that is jeopardized by regulations that mandate less carbon dioxide emissions still stands.

Just in the past week two more states were hammered by snow storms and many other parts of the country experienced colder than normal temp's.

Weather is highly variable, and thus short term effects don't necessarily have any predictive value.

And your point is?

My point is that there are more companies on that list than just Oil & Gas.

Martin,

You are trying to just make it look like that Oil & Gas is the reason for all of the problems.

But totally ignore that many claims that the so called experts have made on Global Warming/Climate Change.

Al Gore – The ice on the poles were going to be totally melted by 2013.

link

United Nations – There will be 50+ Million Climate Refugees by 2010

link

These are just two of the dozens of false claims that have been made by the Global Warming/Climate Change alarmists.

They use computer models that are flawed or designed to prove only their side. They make assumptions and estimates with no basis on facts.

But they are true believers and will attack anyone who disagrees with them.

Well it is no warmer today than 50 or 60 years ago.

Oh and this Winter is going to smack them silly.

I figured wmeyers wouldnt show up to explain all the jargon he is tossing around. It underlines my theory about the motives of people who hold his point of view.

And the idea that people concerned with the climate have to pinpoint changes with 100% accuracy or it's a falsehood is beyond comic.

wmeyers has started dozens of threads against climate change. Why does it get up his nose so severely?

Also, Mithmee that, "Oh look it's cold outside, guess Global Warming is a hoax" is a lot like that lady who ran for office who said "If evolution were real, wouldn't we see monkeys turning into men?"

So you are saying that:

Al Gore never claimed that the Polar Ice will all be gone by 2013.

or

That the United Nations claim that there will be 50+ Million Climate Refugees by 2010.

There hasn't even been one Climate Refugee at all ever.

They claimed that this summer was the 2nd Hottest ever.

But when they use made up numbers from "Their Computer Models" along with "Their Made Up Numbers" there is nothing that you can trust other than seeing that the planet is not going to burn up in 10-12 years.

I am saying why do people have to prove anything to climate deniers? If you dont like it, dont worry about it; what's it to you? Are you worried they might take lead out of the water or plant more trees? What's the concern and where do climate deniers get the idea that the rest of the world has to convince them?

I dont care about Al Gore, there's plenty of climate refugees but really what's wrong with cleaning up the planet? Whats the fear? Why does this upset you? What is it that you think climate scientists are making you do? Are they making you jump around on one leg?

there's plenty of climate refugees

Where?

Why does this upset you?

They are lying to gain control over everyone.

But there is nothing wrong with wanting to clean up the planet other than that most humans are worst than pigs and do not want to clean it up.

Many of the migrants trying to move northwards are unwitting victims of climate change.

OK, so you are dedicated to stopping these people taking control over everyone? What are they going to do once they have this control and how will it affect you? Are you worried that they will ban clothing and you will have to wear a grass skirt? Further, who should really be in charge?

Many of the migrants trying to move northwards are unwitting victims of climate change.

No they are not.

They are fleeing the crime and corruption and not Climate Change at all.

Well now, let me see if I understand the main sides.

1. There is no climate change. We don't want to make an effort to change our behavior, because money is of utmost importance to us. Besides that, we have to keep them alarmist eggheads in their proper place. AND, it doesn't matter if they're correct and all human life goes extinct we saved a bundle of money.

2. There is climate change. We want to take action now to save the planet and spend oodles of money on our pet answers for saving the planet. AND, even if we are wrong and all human life goes extinct, we'll have the satisfaction of having done something.

Have I simplified the differences too much. Seems to me that a judicious application of Pascal's argument for belief in God may be quite relevant here. But then I'm just an average person with an Engineering MS.

Some people believe in climate change and some don't. It's s controversial topic for sure.

Some people believe in climate change and some don't. It's s controversial topic for sure.

Not if you talk to the experts.

@DJCoaltrain

You've oversimplified the differences and you've left out some of the motives about why some people get so worked up over (usually against)climate change. I suspect it has very little to do with cleaning up the planet and a lot more about something else. I was hoping wmeyers would explain some of the jargon and accusations he is using against climate change supporters but he doesnt seem to want to; which strengthens my suspicions.

Mithmee has been the most honest of the climate change deniers on this thread so far, admitting that he doesn't like the idea that climate change science supporters are "Trying to take control". I suppose for him, that reason alone is enough to frustrate them at every step.

Mr Minipigs

Well, I was shooting for the lowest common denominator. If we calculated the average IQ of those commenting here, we'd realize that half the commentators are below that average. Allow me to try again.

1. If the deniers are correct we will have committed resources to a false calculation.

2. If the deniers are wrong, humanity disappears.

3. If the believers are correct we will have saved humankind and perhaps all life on the planet.

4. If the blievers are wrong we will have committed resources to a false calculation.

That means it breaks down to this:

A. Expend resources and the human species lives.

B. Don't expend resources have a 50% chance of extinction.

That's really the lowest common denominator. That's our decision. It really doesn't get any plainer or more obvious.

That means it breaks down to this:

A. Expend resources and the human species lives.

B. Don't expend resources have a 50% chance of extinction.

That assumes an underlying equal probability distribution for each quadrant. It's as bad as those who said that turning on the LHC would have a 50% of destroying the world (It happens or it doesn't), or Russian roulette with an m1911 has 50% odds since you blow your brains out or you don't.

DJ Coaltrain,

I'm not sure anyone is stating there is no climate change. Climate, as it is based on weather, is constantly changing.

There is a reason the term "global warming" has been changed to "climate change" – the former can be disproven a lot easier than the latter.