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Mithmee21 Nov 2018 1:27 p.m. PST

In A.D. 536, Europe had a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad year.

It started when a mysterious fog swept over the continent, veiling the sun in a blue haze and casting Europe, the Middle East and parts of Asia into darkness 24 hours a day, for 18 months. Falling temperatures ushered in the coldest decade of the past 2,000 years, crops failed from Ireland to China, and famine ran rampant. Those who endured the long, cold night faced even harsher times in the years to come; in A.D. 541, an outbreak of bubonic plague known as Justinian's Plague scythed through the Mediterranean, killing up to 100 million people.

- and, according to the new study, reveal that a massive volcanic eruption in Iceland directly preceded the beginning of Europe's darkest days.

The team also found evidence of two subsequent eruption events in the years 540 and 547. According to the researchers, the combined pollution from this volcanic triple-whammy did more than just block the sun and cool Earth — it may well have set Europe up for a period of death and decline that lasted 100 years.

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Look major Climate Change that was not caused by man but by volcanos in Iceland.

Yup, little old Iceland brought on the Dark Ages and contributed greatly to Justinian Plague that hit that area during the same time.

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Amazing just what Mother Earth can do.

Winston Smith21 Nov 2018 2:23 p.m. PST

I blame Theodora.

Bob Hume21 Nov 2018 9:08 p.m. PST

Uuuuuuuh, where's my popcorn and Pepsi. All the climate change people will be here soon and the arguments will follow. This should be fun……

skippy000121 Nov 2018 9:48 p.m. PST

And….we survived. Where as supposedly we won't according to today's 'doom-gloomers'.

If that happened today, more people would be killed by panic and chaos than by the Event.

Bowman22 Nov 2018 10:03 a.m. PST

Nice article. Typical of the source. To whit:

The team also found evidence of two subsequent eruption events in the years 540 and 547. According to the researchers, the combined pollution from this volcanic triple-whammy did more than just block the sun and cool Earth — it may well have set Europe up for a period of death and decline that lasted 100 years.

The highlighted part is from the Fox reporter. Nowhere in any of the linked articles does it say anything remotely similar.

"The first eruptive episode in 535 CE or early 536 CE injected large amounts of sulfate and ash into the atmosphere, apparently in the Northern Hemisphere. Geochemistry of tephra filtered from the NEEM-2011-S1 ice core at a depth corresponding to 536 CE indicated multiple North American volcanoes as likely candidates for a com-bined volcanic signal (Extended Data Fig. 5, Methods, Supplementary Data 5). Historical observations (Extended Data Table 3) identified atmospheric dimming as early as 24 March 536 CE, and lasting up to 18 months."

"The second eruptive episode in 539 CE or 540 CE, identified in both Greenland and Antarctica ice-core records and hence probably trop-ical in origin, resulted in up to 10% higher global aerosol loading than the Tambora 1815 eruption reconstructed from our bipolar sulfate records. Summer temperatures consequently dropped again, by 1.4–2.7 uC in Europe in 541 CE3, and cold temperatures persisted in
the Northern Hemisphere until almost 550 CE."

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So the "…may well have set Europe up for a period of death and decline that lasted 100 years" seems to be over exuberant reporting. And the dates don't even jive. The actual scientists say the 536 CE eruption had effects for the next year and a half, and the second, presumably more severe 539 CE blast, had effects that lasted almost a decade.

Yup, little old Iceland brought on the Dark Ages and contributed greatly to Justinian Plague…..

Most historians characterize the Dark Ages as starting almost 100 years earlier than these eruptions.

I know this is Mithmee writing this. From the quote above the article author doesn't claim any correlation between the colder temperatures and the onset of the plague. He just mentions that the plague occurred 5 years after the second eruption.

The plague, from Yersinia Pestis, relies on two cycles (an Enzootic and a Zoonotic cycle). Both these cycles are actually suppressed by colder weather. The fleas do not grow as well in a colder, dryer climate. Same with the rats. Here is a good article describing the relationship between climate and Bubonic Plague:

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Reading this makes one a bit reticent to assigning these eruptions as "contributing greatly" to anything beyond colder weather.

Makes one wonder if cold climate had anything to do with the great Bubonic Plague (The Black Death) that ravaged Europe in the mid 1300's. Looks like the opposite actually. Since we have isolated the DNA from Black Death victims and matched them to today's strains, we know the disease started in the East and moved west by fleas and rodent migrations. Here is a good explanation of the Medieval epidemics and the relationship to climate.

Correlation does not equal causation.

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And finally, I noticed when you think that the proxy science supports your confirmation bias then it is fine. When the proxy science goes against your preconceived ideas then "proxy science is NOT real science".

From a link from within your link:

"Ice cores provide a robust reconstruction of past climate. However, development of timescales by annual-layer counting, essential to detailed climate reconstruction and interpretation, on ice cores collected at low-accumulation sites or in regions of compressed ice, is problematic due to closely spaced layers. Ice-core analysis by laser ablation–inductively coupled plasma–mass spectrometry (LA-ICP-MS) provides sub-millimeter-scale sampling resolution (on the order of 100 μm in this study) and the low detection limits (ng L−1) necessary to measure the chemical constituents preserved in ice cores."

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Looks like proxy science to me……the same ice core stuff you are on record as dismissing in previous discussions.

Winston Smith22 Nov 2018 11:20 a.m. PST

I dislike all "science" articles with hysterical headlines, regardless of the source.
For a long time, I lumped all "We are doomed!" climate change articles in that category. Clearly if the world is going to end in the year 2000, and we are still around, the model needs to be looked at.
A lot of it goes back to the old lawyers, saw about arguing the facts, the law and banging the table.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2018 11:32 a.m. PST

Iceland didn't even exist in the 6th century.
It was created in 993 when Norwegian Vikings loaded 50 trillion longships with earth and rocks and dumped it all in middle of the North Atlantic.

mandt225 Nov 2018 8:30 a.m. PST

In George R. R. Martin's "Game of Thrones" Tyrion Lannister says (as best as I can remember), "It is dangerous to believe something because you want to."

No one wants the Theory of Climate Change and global warming to be happening. But it is. Just last week yet another of many reports was released describing the consequences of global warming if allowed to continue unabated.

nca2018.globalchange.gov

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Those who proclaim that there is inadequate information to support Climate Change theory are either ignorant of the facts, or just plain lying. There is more than adequate data and information supporting the science of Climate Change for even a layperson to read and understand. If you really want to know the facts, you can start here:

skepticalscience.com

Bowman's excellent dismemberment of Mithmee's post and links is a perfect example of why it is dangerous to seek sources that support one's belief, rather than to seek those that challenge it.

Cerdic27 Nov 2018 2:32 p.m. PST

I think back then they were still called Bejam…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bejam

Mithmee29 Nov 2018 8:30 p.m. PST

But it is

No it not.

Bowman30 Nov 2018 4:30 a.m. PST

No it not.

Unsubstantiated naysaying is simply denialism

As for your comment,

"Yup, little old Iceland brought on the Dark Ages and contributed greatly to Justinian Plague that hit that area during the same time."

Both parts are wrong.

Most historians have the Dark Ages starting in 476AD at the latest. This is when the last Roman Emperor Romulus was supplanted by Odoacer. Read some history.

As for the events, "contributing greatly to the Justinian Plague" you just made that up. Even your linked sources don't say that. I'd even venture that the colder temperatures may have held off the arrival of the plague as colder weather suppresses the vectors needed for the spread of Yersinia Pestis.

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