"'Archived' heat has reached deep into the Arctic interior" Topic

"Arctic sea ice isn't just threatened by the melting of ice around its edges, a new study has found: Warmer water that originated hundreds of miles away has penetrated deep into the interior of the Arctic.

That "archived" heat, currently trapped below the surface, has the potential to melt the region's entire sea-ice pack if it reaches the surface, researchers say.

The study appears online Aug. 29 in the journal Science Advances…."
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Amicalement
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Didn't those "warmer waters" show up in the Arctic 10-12,000 years ago, around the end of the last Ice Age?

And that was back when a much MUCH bigger chunk of Europe was "Arctic" tundra:

And suddenly the ice melted very "fast" and the waters rose and drowned much of what used to be that tundra. Did our ancestors panic and try to stop the planet from changing then? Perhaps with a few human sacrifices and such? :)

And what did all those tundra animals and coastline villagers do back then? What did they do in Doggerland? Same as now … adapt or disappear.

People today need to have a little perspective.

Dan
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Al Gore already told us the sea ice in the Arctic will be gone by 2015, so we have already managed to hold back the line for more than 3 years! I for one declare victory and peace in the climate change wars.

Go burn some coal.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
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"Go burn some coal"

That's what they do anyway, right, as they go from one conference or fancy speaking engagement to the next (and to the next, and the next, and the next, all year long, ad nauseum)? And then they tell US little people not to. LOL.

Dan
PS. And I have yet to hear of a fully solar-powered Arctic/Antarctic research vessel, one that doesn't have much of a "carbon footprint", not even for heating. :)

Al Gore already told us the sea ice in the Arctic will be gone by 2015….

Not exactly.

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On 14 December 2009, during a speech at the Copenhagen Climate Conference, Gore cited newer research from the same group:

"These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."

Yes, exactly, according to this quote in Snopes.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Did you read the next paragraph?

That statement put Gore in hot water when Maslowski told The Times of London that his data did not allow for such a prediction:

"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Dr Maslowski said. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."

Mr Gore's office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a "ballpark figure" several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.

A few paragraphs later, Snopes cites this paper link by Overland and Wang that concludes:

We have investigated three approaches to predicting 21st century summer Arctic sea ice loss as represented by trendsetters, stochasters, and modelers [three quantitative approaches used to make predictions]. At present, it is not possible to completely choose one approach over another as all approaches have strengths and weaknesses. […]

Time horizons for summer sea ice loss of these three approaches turns out to be roughly 2020, 2030, and 2040 respectively for trendsetters, stochasters, and modelers. […]

It is reasonable to conclude that Arctic sea ice loss is very likely to occur in the first rather than the second half of the 21st century, with a possibility of loss within a decade or two.

Mike, there is a big difference between "sea ice will be gone by 2015" and "Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years." I hope you can see that.

As Snopes indicates Maslowski's predictions were the most extreme. The ones actually suggesting this loss of summer Ice was the US Navy for whom Maslowski was principal investigator.

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Here is the abstract from Masloski's article in 2012.

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Regardless, your original quote is quite the oversimplification of what was actually said. Snopes covers that quite well which is why it was referenced.