 StoneMtnMinis  | 08 May 2018 6:09 a.m. PST |
These rascals need to be dealt with before it's too late………………….. link Aided and abetted by…. link |
| Bowman | 08 May 2018 7:58 a.m. PST |
Before anyone gets too excited about dealing with these "rascals", let's hear from the paper's author: "The climate impact from the planets pales when compared to how humans are affecting the planet from burning fossil fuels, for example. "It's pretty far down on the list of so many other things that can affect climate on times scales that matter to us," Kent said. "All the carbon dioxide we're pouring into the air right now is the obvious big enchilada." link As for the second link, ya it's fun to pick on Al and Leo, and it may make the deniers feel good. But, unfortunately, it says nothing about the reality and veracity of global warming. Like Martin says, finding a MD that smokes doesn't mean cigarettes don't give you cancer. The comments on Gore's house are over a decade old and stretch the truth to be more provocative. link link link Either way, this is a distraction away from the real issues. |
| zoneofcontrol | 08 May 2018 8:40 a.m. PST |
I want to know what is being done to halt this Jupiter-made and Venus-made Global Warming. Action must be taken now to stop this before it goes past the point of no return. What will we have left to pass on to our children's, children's, children's, children? Perhaps we could institute some sort of Jupiter/Venus Gravity Credits system. Allow Jupiter and Venus to purchase them and force the other planets to make up the difference. |
| Winston Smith | 08 May 2018 8:57 a.m. PST |
As long as you're comparing Al and Leo to doctors who smoke, I'm ok with that. |
| Winston Smith | 08 May 2018 8:59 a.m. PST |
The Martians are upset that they aren't being taken into account. |
| Bowman | 08 May 2018 9:03 a.m. PST |
The Martians are upset that they aren't being taken into account. Don't let them watch that Tom Cruise movie. Then they'll be really pissed. |
| Ed Mohrmann | 08 May 2018 9:45 a.m. PST |
I hesitate to ask but will anyway: If CO2 is the biggest problem (and I don't know if it
is or not), then how much does the CO2 of mammalian
respiration contribute to the warming issue ? After all, humankind's numbers are only increasing,
and probably the herd animals of various sorts we
raise for food likewise. Or is it a drop in the bucket and my inquiry dumb ? |
| Mithmee | 08 May 2018 12:02 p.m. PST |
<a>doesn't mean cigarettes don't give you cancer True but not everyone who smokes is going to get cancer. This is just one more thing that is not impacted by humans that impacts our climate. Just like what is happening on the Big Island will also impact the climate as well. Oh and which is also does not have any impact from humans. |
| skippy0001 | 08 May 2018 12:24 p.m. PST |
It's Ming. It's always Ming. |
| Martin From Canada | 08 May 2018 12:42 p.m. PST |
If CO2 is the biggest problem (and I don't know if it
is or not), then how much does the CO2 of mammalian
respiration contribute to the warming issue ?After all, humankind's numbers are only increasing,
and probably the herd animals of various sorts we
raise for food likewise. Or is it a drop in the bucket and my inquiry dumb ? Essentially (with regards to breathing) we net out to zero. The carbon atoms in the CO2 we exhale was ingested via the plants we eat (Meat is a bit more circuitous, the burger you eat is made up of carbon from cow feed, which eventually leads back to plants). It's not a 100% closed circuit, since adding body mass will sequester carbon… However, with regards to herding animals, it's all about the indirect effects rather than direct effects of respiration. Pasture for cattle often uses up land that could be put to other uses (ie. Brazilian rain forest), as well as ruminant producing a non-negligible amount of methane (which is ~25x more potent a GHG than CO2) . |
| Bowman | 08 May 2018 1:34 p.m. PST |
Just like what is happening on the Big Island will also impact the climate as well. We've been over this many times. First, no one ever said that volcanoes do not release greenhouse gases. This has been always know. Second the ratios of carbon isotopes are different between those of inorganic sources, like volcanoes, and organic ones, like burning carbon containing materials. That is how scientists know that all the volcanoes in the world only contribute around 1% of carbon released in the atmosphere. The rest is us. You've been shown this before. |
| Bowman | 08 May 2018 2:23 p.m. PST |
….then how much does the CO2 of mammalian
respiration contribute to the warming issue ? It's more than just the mammals. It's all animals, all plants (yes they all respire) and many microbes. But Martin's answer still applies. |
| Bowman | 08 May 2018 4:40 p.m. PST |
True but not everyone who smokes is going to get cancer. No, they'll also die of heart disease, stroke, atherosclerosis, dementia, COPD, emphysema, bronchitis, and type II diabetes. These are all the biggest killers and all are exacerbated by smoking. Smoking is a risk factor in all the diseases above. It is the direct cause of one in three cancer deaths in the US. I don't mean getting cancer, I mean dying of cancer. Figures from the CDC. What's your point? |
| Mithmee | 09 May 2018 6:53 p.m. PST |
We've been over this many times. Yes we have. Oh and what is happening caught your scientists completely off guard. They have no clue on where a fissure is going to open up or when. Just proves that scientists really don't know what will happen until it happens. |
| Mithmee | 09 May 2018 6:56 p.m. PST |
No, they'll also die of heart disease, stroke, atherosclerosis, dementia, COPD, emphysema, bronchitis, and type II diabetes. You know what? Non-smokers die of those very same things. The only thing that will happen is that at some point in your life you will die. |
| Bowman | 10 May 2018 5:16 a.m. PST |
You know what? Non-smokers die of those very same things. Yes I do know that as I have had some formal epidemiologigal education. Learn what risk factor means. Seriously, this is an argument you are putting forward? Yes, people die of lung cancer. Some didn't smoke. But smokers die at a rate 23 times that of non smokers. Smoking increases the death rate in at least 15 other cancers. It is a risk factor in the most lethal conditions we humans have (infectious diseases aside). What's not to understand? The only thing that will happen is that at some point in your life you will die. Correct. Oh and what is happening caught your scientists completely off guard. They're "my" scientists now? Just proves that scientists really don't know what will happen until it happens. Not really. Science makes predictions all the time to test theories. I assume you are talking about the OP (hard to tell with you). It doesn't sound like gravitational forces affecting the Earth is a big stretch. I've listened to Neil Degrasse Tyson speak about Jupiter's "gravitational massaging" affecting the climates of it's moons. It's because of Jupiter that Ganymede has liquid water. So just because you were broadsided, don't assume the scientists were. Let's recap: 1) Jupiter and Venus have gravitational affects on Earth's climate 2) This is absolutely dwarfed by the effects of AGW 3) Volcanoes release greenhouse gases 4) The affect of all volcanic activity (not just the current activity on Hawaii) on climate change is smaller by a factor of 100 compared to AGW. They have no clue on where a fissure is going to open up or when. And that is an indictment on volcanology? You are a little off topic here, aren't you? |
