"sex dolls are ethical??" Topic

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Really now, the entire subject is fraught with human mischief. There WILL those who deliberately turn AI into a "gun" (to quote Gerard Butler's "little brother" in Geostorm). Inescapable. Look what atomic research produced, first and foremost. It gave Einstein the guilties. And AI will be no different. In fact, the "gun" development will probably be first: which, if Hawking is any prophet at all, will our last move with AI……

Real AI is never going to happen.

I have seen no evidence of an AI breakthrough.

"…if Hawking is any prophet at all."
I have yet to see any proof of that.
I would take to the bank anything he has to say about Black Holes. But what makes him an expert on everything else?

Linus Pauling wasn't an expert on EVERYTHING either, although he often acted like it. But at least he had 2 Nobel Prizes under his belt. How many does Hawking have?

3 or 4? Don't know. Judging by how much attention he gets, it must be 3 or 4.

"…if Hawking is any prophet at all."
I have yet to see any proof of that.

Nice tag team Straw Man argument you both have here. GWA calls Hawking a "prophet" and you tear that down.

Hawking (and Elon Musk, amongst other smart people) are concerned with the rapid development and lack of controls of AI research. Sounds like intelligent concern to me. Not really prophets now, are they?

Linus Pauling wasn't an expert on EVERYTHING either, although he often acted like it. But at least he had 2 Nobel Prizes under his belt. How many does Hawking have?

Ahhh, what an exquisite benchmark that is. It's the same amount as the Beatles have Grammy awards, and just about as relevant. How about Einstein? He has 1, and it's NOT for Relativity but for his (less important) work on the photoelectric effect. And the Nobel committee almost didn't give him one for that either.

It gave Einstein the guilties

In his own words:

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Are you confusing his reaction with Oppenheimer's?

Don't Asimov's Laws apply?

I blame it on the first guy who picked up a rock and hit something or someone with it.

Ban all rocks!

Dan
PS. Seriously though, AI will happen as part of military and surveillance programs the public won't get to understand until it's too late, and that race is definitely on:
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We are an infection. And AI will be the cure.

Don't Asimov's Laws apply?

Perhaps,….. initially.

If we are looking at Science Fiction stories, how about Philip K Dick's "Second Variety"? To get the most use of AI, you will have AI designing, building and programming the next generations of AI. Doesn't take long before we have no idea of what's coming down the pipe.

Bowman,

"Doesn't take long before we have no idea of what's coming down the pipe."

That's what I was afraid to hear.

Dan

Somewhat related:

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Don't Asimov's Laws apply?

Well yes but like most Laws they end up being viewed as guidelines and end up being broken.

Well, Asimovs "Laws" are really only bits of code in the programming of the AI. It's not just "breaking the laws", it's simply rewriting the code.

Once we have a useful AI, we will use it to deal with issues different from and beyond our human capabilities. What happens when we employ AI to create newer and better forms of AI? When AI is doing the coding what will happen to Asimovs Laws?

There WILL those who deliberately turn AI into a "gun" (to quote Gerard Butler's "little brother" in Geostorm).

Sounds deep and meaningful….for a screenwriter.

It's been human nature to weaponise anything. Long before guns we had sticks and stones, and before that we used our teeth and nails. AI is just one of the useful tools we have developed that can also be used for harm.

Yes. It's a redundant point, to say that something will always be turned into a weapon. Nothing suits the saying, "So, what else is new?" better than a discussion of weapons development, since it literally applies to everything, even sex.

Which reminds me of a joke …

We are still a long, long way from real AI. We could certainly make robotic weapons which could inadvertently kill their makers if not used properly (heck we already have them-land mines), but that's not the same thing at all.

Plus why would you want a sex doll to have any AI?

It would just end up nagging you.

We are still a long, long way from real AI

Depends what you mean by "real". If you mean Skynet from the Terminator movies, Data from Star Trek, the benign robots from I, Robot or the malignant ones from Second Variety, then yes, we are a long way away.

But my spell checker, grammar checker, Siri, Ariana, Deep Fritz and a host of others are all examples of AI.

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Plus why would you want a sex doll to have any AI?

It would just end up nagging you.

On a related item, my iPad spell checker wants to call the AI program Arimaa "Ariana" as you can see above. Still some way to go. Lol!

We've ranted about that area of AI before:

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Though I'd lean toward calling it AS ("Stupidity").

Or even "ASS" (you can supply whatever final word you think appropriate).