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Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP04 Oct 2017 2:16 a.m. PST

*** Spoilers ***

In the film Wonder Tot is taken by her mum to see the Godslayer sword which is going to be wielded by the greatest amazon warrior to kill Ares.

It turns out the Godslayer is an "ordinary" sword and that it's really Wonder Woman who has to do the job.

And nothing here makes any sense, does it ?

Either the Amazons were deceived by somebody into thinking they were keeping the sword that can kill Ares, in which case if they ever had to face him something could have gone very wrong.

It's compounded by the idea that Diana is by design the actual Godslayer while her mum, queen of the badass ladies capable of tearing out your guts through your nose feels her precious girl should do anything but be a badass lady capable of tearing out your guts through your nose.

It's one of those leaps of logic you only see in movies "Whatever you do, don't go into the family business. I'm ok with sending everyone under my command to get killed including myself, but I'm using my prerogative to make an exception for you and making you the odd one out. I'm sure you'll make a fine bookkeeper."

Come again ?

The queen knows that Ares is a threat and the Amazons were meant to fix the problem and they fix it by hiding, putting their trust in a fake weapon and doing everything so that the real "big gun" is vocationally railroaded into flower arrangement …

What if Diana didn't get the "ooh shiny" gleam in her eye when she first saw the sword ?

It's like that old trope of the bad guy who is magically imprisoned for aeons and is "cursed" with something really terrible like apocalyptic level magic or vampirism …

Great War Ace Inactive Member04 Oct 2017 8:07 a.m. PST

Thanks for the warning (not that I was in any real danger of actually watching this movie). I hate, that trope. It is so old and worn out. The unknown hero looking common as dirt, hidden even from him/herself, until the fateful day of reckoning arrives, and then s/he gets told who/what they really are. This appeals to every nerd and picked on kid in school: because what would happen if s/he discovered that s/he is really a superhero with "special powers"? etc.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP04 Oct 2017 8:39 a.m. PST

She "wasn't ready"?

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Oct 2017 8:43 a.m. PST

"What if Diana didn't get the "ooh shiny" gleam in her eye when she first saw the sword ?"

I think that was impossible. She was fated to be the Godslayer, she couldn't help but be attracted to the sword. The attraction to it was part of who she was.

Tacitus04 Oct 2017 8:56 a.m. PST

+1 Pictors

Hafen von Schlockenberg Inactive Member04 Oct 2017 9:10 a.m. PST

GWA--The Hidden Monarch trope,and its congeners,may be a cliche,but it's one with a long legacy,stretching back through Aragorn and Arthur (to name just a couple of famous ones),all way to the Bible,and undoubtedly beyond.


I'll bet there's a lot of life in it yet. Whether it seems "worn out" or not will depend on how it's treated.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Oct 2017 1:17 p.m. PST

Actually, the story doesn't fit either trope.

Diana doesn't look plain as dirt and she doesn't think or pretend that she is anything except the badass warrior princess of the Amazons. She wants to go after Ares.

Hippolyta, however, doesn't want her to do it. First, she's concerned about whether or not Diana is ready. Screw humanity and WWI. Men will start another war again, sometime. Maybe that will be the one.

Also, while Hippolyta is guaranteed by prophecy that Diana is the Godslayer, there is nothing guaranteeing that she will survive the encounter. That kind of thing happens all the time in this genre.

I don't think anyone was deceived about the sword being the Godslayer except Diana. By her mother. Who didn't want to send her out to die.

GypsyComet04 Oct 2017 11:52 p.m. PST

The odd bit that got me was Diana's actual age vs her perceived age. This wasn't an issue with her older origin story, as Hippolyta could have gotten the urge to sculpt a baby from clay at any time. But the new origin (which has been the case in the comics for a while apparently) means that one or more of the following is true: time does not flow normally on the island, Diana is actually really old (having been conceived in the Classical Era), or Zeus came by for a conjugal visit that no one else on the island knew about sometime in the late 1800s.

MHoxie Inactive Member07 Oct 2017 2:46 a.m. PST

What is the Riddle of Steel?

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