"Alien covenant (slight spoilers)" Topic

Great atmosphere, acting was good. Plot and movie were just eh. The first 5 mins could have gone away and also the whole Prometheus connection crap which is really ruining the franchise in my opinion. You can tell when a director is losing control when they add nude scenes that they have no need for (oh what can we do quick show some , ridiculous) Jame Franco ships captain who is in the show for 12 seconds what a waste 15 crew members who you hardly get to know and who get killed and you still don't know who is dying. And yet another crashed space jockey ship (not sure if this is meant to be the one from alien) these things can fly but really need work on their landing capability.

LOL, problem they need a new director. he's lost it and washed out.

I'm a die hard fan of the series but for me it was very blah. Predictable plot and stupid characters. The shark has been jumped.

He made better Alien movies before getting all "philosophical" about it.

Also, at the climax of the film I had to stop myself from singing:

This is the song after the shower scene,
This is the chase: Danny and Xeno,
She tried to kill me with a forklift! Ole!

Ok, not great, glad my buddy paid for the tickets.

Great atmosphere, acting was good. Plot and movie were just eh. The first 5 mins could have gone away and also the whole Prometheus connection crap which is really ruining the franchise in my opinion.

And yet another crashed space jockey ship (not sure if this is meant to be the one from alien) these things can fly but really need work on their landing capability.

Really not paying attention were you? It's the one from Prometheus, so NOT the one from Alien.

The first 5 minutes pretty much explained David's motivations, and the connections to Prometheus were always going to be there given it was a direct sequel to that film…

I liked it overall. David 8 isn't "evil." He's exactly what Weyland made him to be.

BTW most of the unresolved questions in 'Prometheus' got answered.

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Some people were paying attention to the movie, some clearly, were not. I thought it a very credible contribution to the franchise.

I thought it was a very well done movie.

It actually got back to some horror vice action or splatter (Alien was a horror movie. Aliens was an action movie.). Horror is difficult to do. Even more so when the ending is constrained and everybody starts out knowing what the monster is.

I agree with etotheipi – the difficulty is adding a twist once we "know" the alien. I thought it worked really well, I actually enjoy all the Prometheus stuff, and Covenant takes that whole idea a step further IMHO. The monster always kills a good tranche of the crew – that's what they are there for….

And I though Fassbender did the Walter/David thing very well – right to the end.

The gore level was about right – and placed at the right point in the film so we can "enjoy" it, and move on with the plot for the rest of the movie.

SPOILERS!!

Some people were paying attention to the movie, some clearly, were not.

Right.

My complaint with both Prometheus and Covenant is that the script writers: a) clearly didn't watch or follow the previous movies for continuity and b) peopled the movies with stupid characters who behaved in unbelievably stupid ways.

BTW most of the unresolved questions in 'Prometheus' got answered.

Really? Uh-ha, except for the new problems:

1) If David made the xenomorph while marooned on the Engineer planet, why were there murals of the xenomorph on the walls of the Engineer's research facility in Prometheus?

2) The eggs and face hugger alien were David's proudest design as he states when he goes to infect the Covenant's captain. Wouldn't he need a Queen to do that?

3) On a planet with no animal life forms left, why does David design different species that requires other life forms to propagate?

4) How come the alien that bursts from the captain's chest is a fully formed mini xenomorph and not the "chest burster" from all the other movies?

Clearly the people that were paying the least attention to the movies were those involved in the subsequent movies. Look, the James Bond franchise has had many personnel changes over the decades, but the internal logic is consistent throughout the series. At least he is an British MI5 agent throughout, not a Canadian CSIS agent in one movie and then an American CIA operative the next.

Even the Red Letter Media stoners can tell that Covenant makes little sense.

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It's such sloppy script writing and it shows. Especially at the box office. Personally, I did enjoy both Prometheus and Covenant somewhat. RIdley knows how to create a tense atmosphere and his films all look great. But I needed to work SOOOO hard to suspend my disbelief to get through the film.

I admit I liked Prometheus. It may have left some questions unanswered, but only one really bothers me. I would think that expedition must have been pretty expensive. So why hire people who seemed (to me) like they could care less and had trouble working with others?

So why hire people who seemed (to me) like they could care less and had trouble working with others?

You mean like the biologist crew member who is horrified when confronted with a thousand year old corpse of an Engineer? Isn't that what he is there for?

Or the same biologist, when confronted with a snakelike alien life form, reaches out to touch it?

Or the biologist and geologist who get lost in the caves, right after others have made an accurate 3-D map of the entire Engineer complex?

Or when the explorers first find out there is an oxygen atmosphere in the Engineer complex and they all decide that's good enough to remove their helmets?

This can go on and on.