"When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave" Topic

"The media was celebrating this week about the groundbreaking discovery that gravitational waves are real and not just a theory formed by Einstein in the early 1900's.

30 years ago, Bob Lazar told the press that the propulsion systems he worked on used gravitational waves. It gets more interesting when you realize that he actually insisted they were the correct theory. And also this is the 2nd theory that came true from him after the discovery of Element 115. This one is more amazing though because in some ways you could say Element 115 was inevitable…"
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Amicalement
Armand

Really Tango?

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Bob Lazar was given a rare privilege as a physicists chosen examine and back-engineer the advanced spacecraft lent to the establishment. The spacecraft in question were not captured or recovered at crash sites as the public was lead to believe, but loaned as a gift to secure future favors in return for a perceived technological edge. The Orions promised technological edge of radar invisibility and total antigravity propulsion, but the new projects fell far short of expectations.

We do have an Utter Drivel board you know.

Above Top Secret, Armand? From Rational Wiki:

"Above Top Secret is the internet's beehive for all things conspiracy, UFO, paranormal and just about anything crank-related."

And this about the "distinguished" Mr. Lazar:

"Robert Lazar (1959-) is a double-edged sword of UFO cranks. On the one hand, he's a pathological liar with a long laundry list of fantasies about working at Area 51. On the other hand, he runs United Nuclear, one of the very few chemical supply houses still supplying as many unrestricted chemicals as possible to amateur chemists. Make of him what you will, but if you need fifty feet of magnesium ribbon, a neodymium magnet the size of a brick (for, I don't know, wiping credit cards from ten feet away?), or a jar of heavy water, he's your best source.

Most people in the UFO community think Lazar's even too crazy for them."

Armand, you really know how to pick' em… (And I wish you'd stop…)

Keep 'em coming, Armand!

Dan

Ha!…Ha!…

Please… never a lack of humor here!… (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Keep them coming Armand. If they don't like what your posting, they don't have to click on it or read it. lol

Funny thing about ole Bob, he seems to know stuff that he shouldn't, if he was a crack pot.

Element 115. Bob talked about it before it was even identified. Science community laughed at him, until it was ID'ed.

His claim of working at Area 51 & S7. Three individuals who worked there and are retired asked Bob simple questions that were not classified about the facility to see if he was lying.
Example of some of the questions,

1. How did employees go about their lunch breaks and pay for their food?
2. What did the lunch room look like?
3. How did employees get back and forth to work?
4. How were employees paid since they worked for a classified project?
5. How did employees go through security when arriving at work?

Ole Bob Lazar answered all of their non-classified questions correctly. The three employees said if Bob hadn't ever worked there like the government claims. Then he must know someone who has and they told him some details.

Element 115. Bob talked about it before it was even identified. Science community laughed at him, until it was ID'ed.

And they still laugh at him, since his fruitcake predictions were wildly off the mark. Lazar is a bog standard, pseudo scientific nut job. And if you want to give him credibility, well, that's your problem, not mine…

If they don't like what your posting, they don't have to click on it or read it. lol

You clearly miss the point. Bring on the Alien Autopsy videos! That's Science!

Funny thing about ole Bob, he seems to know stuff that he shouldn't, if he was a crack pot.

So say the other crack pots.

Element 115. Bob talked about it before it was even identified. Science community laughed at him, until it was ID'ed.

They laugh at him because of his UFO linking to Moscovium.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moscovium

By the way these ever increasingly heavy metal are all man made. Big deal. I predict an Element 120. There, I'm a genius. Oh dear, it's already been named…..Unbinilium.

Ole Bob Lazar answered all of their non-classified questions correctly. The three employees said if Bob hadn't ever worked there like the government claims. Then he must know someone who has and they told him some details.

Unsupported hearsay is so convincing.

Come on, if you honestly think these artificial elements have magical anti-gravity powers or are used for fuel for spaceships, then go look them up. For starters look up their half lives.

"120"?

I bid 130 quatloos!

Dan

Glad you enjoyed it with humor boys!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Psuedo, crackpot, woo-woo and BS science topics don't belong on a science board any more than topics on the Peloponnesian War belong on the Napoleonic board. Even if it is just a toy soldier site.

And challenging unsupported nonsensical announcements is partly what science is about.

Bowman says its so, "BS, woo-woo, crackpot, pseudo science" so that means it true!!! hahahahahaha

"artificial elements have magical anti-gravity powers"

What you are quoting is from what people talking about Bob Lazar say, not what Bob Lazar himself has claimed. When it comes to element 115, Bob only stated it was used as part of the power supply system. He's not ever claimed it had magical anti-gravity powers. Then the science community said B/S cause there was no such thing as 115. After it was manufactured, his critics now try to claim he said it made the ships fly with magic properties. Bob Lazar also said all the disc shaped craft he saw, he thought was advanced human made craft. It wasn't until after he saw the seats in one and how small they were. Compared that to UFO stories he had heard, made him wonder if they were alien craft. Bob Lazar in all of his interviews has said he has no proof they were alien craft, but he did believe some of them were after seeing the small seats. Humans in contact with aliens for 10,000 years. Again Bob Lazar actual statement was, the technologies reported to be alien tech. Then they must be 10,000 years more advanced than us to be able to travel here. Bob Lazar statement was he didn't know of anything we had to match that type of tech claimed by UFO witnesses.

Its also been proven Bob Lazar did work at Los Alamos Lab, even though the US government claimed he never had. Old Los Alamos Lab phone books were found in a storage shed owned by a former employee. From one of them dated during the time Bob claimed he worked there. He's listed in the phone book as working at Los Alamos. He was employed with a company (K/M)and was a contract employee at Los Alamos.

National Geographic did a documentary called Area 51 Declassified. They identified retired employees who worked at Area 51 and interviewed them on things declassified. Three of them confirmed Lazar answered the questions correctly. These employees are the ones who said either Bob worked there or had talked to someone who had. But since Bowman didn't know about this, that means its hearsay. hahahaha

Charlie 12. What specific predictions??? Bob Lazar said he worked there. Said what he worked on and how long he worked there. He said an Element 115 was used in part of the power supply. So what is it he's supposedly predicted???

"And challenging unsupported nonsensical announcements is partly what science is about."

So now Bowman is claiming to be a scientists??? Do you work at Los Alamos Lab??? lol

Bowman and Charlie 12.

I've found when people can't provide details, but have to use name calling and derogatory comments to support their claims. They are more full of B/S than the people they are talking about. hahahaha

Dr. Stuart Robins of Exposing Psudoastronomy podcast has a decent debunking/rebuttle in Episode 133. link

Short bullet points:

1) Bob claims to have an MS from MIT, MSs from MIT require a thesis, yet there is no thesis under Bob's name at MIT. Furthermore, he's not in any yearbook, photo, club, etc… nor does anybody remember him.

2) Bob "predicted" element 115. A highschooler could predict that element 115 would eventually be synthesized with a half-life mesured in at best seconds, at worst you'd need an atomic clock. That's too vague, approaching Sylvia Browne territory. Let's work this out. Say you start with 1kg of Moscovium and use it's best half life of 1 second. In twenty seconds, the sample is essentially gone. And the kicker is that the human race has synthesized much less than a kg of this stuff…

3) Just because Spiderman takes place in New York City, and New York City is a real place and there's probably a few Peter Parkers living in New York City, it doesn't follow that Spiderman/Peter Parker are real.

I'd rather shave with Occam's razor.

Cheers,
Martin from Canada

I predicted Element 115, just because I wanted all the holes and gaps in the Periodic Table filled in. It took them long enough!
So far, at least 100 ATOMS have been synthesized. Useful material, Moscovium. I would have thought you needed more than that to determine a melting point, but I've been out of the field since the Carter administration. . What do I know?
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Btw, the Wiki article also has links to the conspiracy theories surrounding Element 115.

I also wonder why people so dedicated to the Purity of Science feel compelled to do so on a site dedicated to toy soldiers. To paraphrase Bowman.

Martin. Bowman. None of us here on tmp have any effect on funding for Real Science. We have no influence. Why do you feel so compelled to stop us from believing in stupid stuff?
As I told a Jehova's Witness one time, I'm the one in charge of saving my soul. Not you. I didn't convince him. So I guess you're going to keep on performing your self appointed duty to keep our young and pliable minds from believing stupid stuff. Good luck with that.

"So I guess you're going to keep on performing your self appointed duty to keep our young and pliable minds from believing stupid stuff. Good luck with that."

hahahaha, that is one of the best things I've read in awhile.

I also wonder why people so dedicated to the Purity of Science feel compelled to do so on a site dedicated to toy soldiers.

Because there is a Science board. And I'd like it to contain science topics. If there was no science board, which is fine by me, I'd still want Napoleonic topics on the Napoleonic board. Simple, John.

We have no influence.

Is that what you think we do here? I thought it was simple a discussion board.

Why do you feel so compelled to stop us from believing in stupid stuff?

I couldn't care less what you think. But if you put something on a discussion board, it will be discussed. That's how they work.

I've found when people can't provide details……

Says the guy who conflates hearsay with evidence. That's a lot of work putting lipstick on a pig, Ironwolf. I do admire your loyalty to Bob.

hahahaha, that is one of the best things I've read in awhile.

Then you should read better sources. Start by staying away from Woo-Woo sites like ATS, Godlike productions, Cryptomundo, Info Wars, Natural News, etc., etc.

Martin from Canada, Bowman, Charlie 12 many thanks for your intelligent and reasoned response. It's nice to know there is still some intelligent thought and respect for science here as opposed to an anti intellectual rant. Please see the attacks on Hawkins physical condition which personality I found incredibly insulting. As this was posted here on a science board rather then utter drivel suggests it was meant to be taken seriously.

I can comprehend the annoyance of opening a topic board and finding crap to do with the topic. If I open "Medieval Discussion", I don't want scifi or "Ultra Modern" discussions on there! I can allow some bleed over, like medieval fantasy role-play or campaigning: I do this myself. Zombies are "medieval" so some bleed over with other zombie "periods" is permissible. But not totally non topic discussions.

However, pseudo topics are, by definition, part of the "real" topic. Science has always attracted the fakers to the party. So Bowman, Charlie, et al. the "Defenders of the Science Board" just have to suck it up and keep defending the real thing. To try and ban it from existence is pointless…………..

If I open "Medieval Discussion", I don't want scifi or "Ultra Modern" discussions on there!

Now imagine someone comes on the board and says that the Seljuks defeated the Byzantines at Manzikert, because they had alien technology from a saucer that crashed in Anatolia. How would you respond?

But what if that's what really happened? :)

Dan

But what if that's what really happened?

Using high tech UFO technology in the year 1071? Then we should expect the Seljuks to have taken over the world and we'd now be typing in Turkish or Farsi to each other.

I would ask for more information. Then ignore him. If it got to be a plague of non medieval postings, I'd complain to Bill.

Really? You wouldn't just blurt out, "That's ridiculous!"?