"Changing Allegience in Walking Dead (Spoilers)" Topic

Okay, after the last couple of episodes of Walking Dead and last night's finale, I was ready to write the whole thing off. Rick is such a BAD leader and his people are all just plain stupid. Even my favorite character, Carol, has come down with a serious case of the Dumbs.

But then after thinking about the ending for a while I realized that the 'bad guy' leader (Mance?) is actually just the sort of guy the world needs right now. Charismatic enough to get hundreds of people to follow him. Brutal enough to keep the brutes in line. Wise enough to bring talented folks into his group and not just kill them. Smart enough to organize things on a larger scale than just the single group. He's a dark age feudal lord. Rick & Co. should be relieved to be brought into the fold. With the manpower Mance has at his call, the walkers aren't a threat anymore at all. So at this point I'm rooting for Mance!

Of course next season he'll be revealed as a cannibal or child molester or something and Rick will end up killing him. Pooh.

I'd throw in with Negan too.
The last half of this season has highlighted the incredible stupidity of the whole group. Preemptive murder, wandering off etc.

I will probably watch the next season, not out of any respect or love for the characters, but just to see what happens next.
That's a stupid position to take. I wasted so much time on Turtledove novels just to see what happens. Not to mention Harry Potter. And I hated all the characters in both!

Scott,

Who's Mance? The guy with the barbed wire wrapped bat is Negan. Never heard of a Mance. Maybe I missed something?

Anyway, this show is driven by poor decision making; necessary to end up in such dramatic situations. Although it does make it hard to support some of the characters after their dumb decisions.

Sorry, I'm terrible at remembering names. Negan it is!

Ok, good. One less character vying for screen time.

Jon Snow put an arrow through Mance's heart while Mel was burning him at the stake.

Now we are going to have to put up with six months of Internet experts reading tea leaves to see who's dead.
It's going to be worse than " Who shot JR?"

Oh good! So the name came from somewhere! I feel better :)

I gave up on their stupidity ep1,s2.

Who was killed?

Amicalement
Armand

JR's sister in law Kristin.

Or was it really just a dream?!?

This show has digressed into one of those old cheeseball serials where the hero gets into one jam after another at the end of each episode from which no one could possibly escape, then in the next episode, he pulls a miracle and finds a way out of his jam.

I was waiting for Glenn to crawl under a dumpster and have Negan bash it into a million pieces.

Why end on a cliffhanger; it's as if the writers don't know who to kill, so they'll leave it up in the air and see what the fans think. They'be built a huge following and at this point, there is no need for cliffhangers.

It's like having a restaurant in a high foot traffic area and you "could" do things to improve the menu and the offerings, but keep serving the same crap day after day because you have no reason to try anymore.

Last night, they milked about 30 minutes of actual plot into an hour and a half finale, there were what, about 432 commercials last night? And I wish Carol would just die already, she's become boring and lame, laying there begging the Savior she didn't bump off with the semiautomatic machine gun sewed into her sweater earlier to kill her.

And Morgan wanders the countryside with a broom handle as a weapon.

So now next season we'll have the Saviors, the folks from Alexandria, the Hilltoppers and the new group with the body armor jockeying for position to become the king of the hill.

The greatest threat is now no longer walkers, it's other humans……………great………….

As far as who got killed…Chandler Riggs (Carl) tweeted out during "The Talking Dead" that HE didn't even know who was killed….and he read the script 6 months ago.

Like I told my wife after WD was over….I don't think they know who they want dead…they want to see what the fan response is…..

I watched the finale again last night, plus I listened to the slowed down audio of the final scene that everyone is talking about and I've got it; Negan killed the camera man…………..

Next season…

Big ratings for the opener as millions tune in to see who saw the business end of Lucille.

Then an entire season of Rick and crew plotting how to get from under Regan's thumb.

At least we have a new faction to consider.

"I watched the finale again last night, plus I listened to the slowed down audio of the final scene that everyone is talking about and I've got it; Negan killed the camera man………….."

Too bad! He should have killed the writer!

I am not looking forward to a season of having to listen to Negan mouth-off with arrogance and contempt while Rick & company suffer and grovel, irritatingly interspersed with those four-minute and twenty second subtractions from your life called "commercial breaks," many of which are promos for their spin-off show "Fear The Walking Dead."

So who will ride to Rick & Company's rescue next season?

1) Enid, the teenage girl Carl locked in the closet?

2) The good Reverend, who was left in command in Alexandria but is somewhat lacking in combat and command experience?

3) Carol, who will presumably spend most of next season recovering from multiple gunshot wounds?

4) Morgan, who in spite of this episode's gallantry may still be a conscientious objector?

5) Deanna's son, if he doesn't fall off another wall during the off-season?

6) The character "Jesus," who disappeared after helping to take out the SETI facility?

7) The young man with dreadlocks who seemed to work well with Glen and was last seen leaving the SETI facility in an RV?

Can't Rick (or anyone else for that matter) realize the combat value of a four-wheel or all-terrain vehicle and stop using big-old RV's as troop transports/ambulances?

I know, I know, they used the RV because the interior shots made it a great stage for an acting ensemble and it was the only way they could get them all into the same frame with Maggie, but sheesh!

'Too bad! He should have killed the writer!'

Don't watch the show, but the above suggests the writer went a few series ago.

The greatest threat was never the walkers. It was always the living.

How truly ironic……………….man killing man while surrounded by zombies.

So rather than band together and form one giant community to battle the walkers, ie, the whole strength in numbers thing, instead we've got pockets of survivors here, there and everywhere and they are all out to kill everyone and take their stuff.

Hershel's farm, the prison, Alexandria, the Governor, Terminus, the Wolves, the Saviors, on and on it goes, small clans battling amongst each other instead of vs a common enemy.

Which would probably be the case if this was really happening…………………

You are right, which is why I'd be throwing in my lot with Negan (got the name right this time!) We see him in command of at least a couple hundred fighters and we have to assume at least an equal number of support/reserves elsewhere and he's forced the Hilltop to submit and probably a few other groups and from the looks of things will soon be adding Alexandria to his domain. He's not the nicest guy, but unlike Rick he's got what it takes organize people and get things done.

The greatest threat was never the walkers. It was always the living.

Tell that to T-Dog.

Where are the armored vehicles that are probably left at some army base or NG armory . You can't tell me they have all blown up ! Rick and his group should have went straight to one on these sites to see what they could get their hands on. After watching him for so long I have come to realize that he is a piss-poor leader. No plan , no strategy, just kill everything that is not part of your group rather than try to enlarge it. DUH!

Yes, absolutely. And the business about Eugene making bullets and some groups not having guns or ammo is ridiculous. This is America! There would be guns and mountains of ammo simply everywhere. More than the survivors could ever use up in a dozen lifetimes. And they're short on food? Not likely. From what we know of the plague, 90% of the population died in the first month and most of the rest since then. Again there would be mountains of dried and canned food all over the place. The group should just find a Walmart distribution warehouse and hole up there. They'd have all the supplies they could ever want.

If Eugene has experience reloading cartridges, they could re-use their brass casings and could cast their own bullets and might even be able to produce some watered-down gunpowder, but they couldn't possibly manufacture their own primer caps. So the whole idea of "making their own ammo" is a wash.

My guess is that gasoline is the choke point in the use or non use of armoured vehicles.