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korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2015 7:50 a.m. PST

This is one gutsy and determined police officer; irrespective of the possible rights and wrongs…..

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Looks like a few turns of "Car Wars".

Personal logo Great War Ace Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2015 8:48 a.m. PST

Yes, competently done. No shooting except straight ahead or up close. Still, the chances of stray bullets taking collateral damage exist. In the US he'd lose his badge if this went viral. Don't want to send the wrong messages about Wild West shootouts, encouraging more of the same!

Ron W DuBray Inactive Member06 Dec 2015 11:26 a.m. PST

not really. About 4 years ago IIRC NYC police had a shoot out with 2 criminals running on the street, where the police uncontrolled fire wounded 4 people behind the criminals firing lots of rounds (over 50 rounds) and NOTHING happened to the police that shot them. (by the way the criminals did not get hit and got away. This is a prime example of police shooting in the US. or SWAT team fires 40 rounds into a ex US army officer after breaking into the wrong address to serve a warrant for $400. USD in parking tickets. another prime example and also no charges filed on the police officers. things like this happen 100s of times a year.

CorroPredo Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2015 2:29 p.m. PST

Ron, you are a prime example of why police all across this country ought to walk off the job and let people like you fend for themselves. What exactly do you know about police shootings, other than what the media tells you? Deleted by Moderator

Zargon Inactive Member06 Dec 2015 4:03 p.m. PST

Right this about sums it up.

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1.Most law enforcement officers feel citizens are guilty until proven innocent.

2.Most citizens think law enforcement officers are neanderthal brutes until they need one.

3.The truth is both are wrong of course for a multitude of reasons.

4.Come through to SA and it will prove points 1,2 and 3 wrong.

Personal logo Ironwolf Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2015 9:39 p.m. PST

Ron, you need to go back to highschool civics class. Or go get your law degree. hahaha Reason why most police are not charged when they make a mistake is because the law requires someone to have INTENT. Reason why the media and most people freak out on the police like you. Is they are not very well educated on the law or how it applies.

Very similar to doctors and nurses who kill a patient when they make a mistake. They are not charged with murder. Matter fact most states have revamped the civil law on suing medical professionals when they make a mistake. Now most states require the victim has to prove the medical staff made a "Gross" error in medical judgement in order to win a lawsuit against them.

I can also tell you the above list is wrong. spending over 20 years in LE. I have found out of every ten cops, 2 are just dumb and not very good at their job. So in order not to look dumb they end up covering up their mistakes until they get caught. Then you have the one cop who would write his grandmother a ticket and doesn't care if he gets convictions in court, only cares about having the highest stats. Then you have the coward, the one who is scared of everything and when confronted goes to extreme when using force. The other 6 are men and women who try to do a good job but do have bad days like everyone else who works for a living. Dealing with an uneducated population that has a sense of entitlement can be very difficult.

Personal logo Ironwolf Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2015 9:53 p.m. PST

Ron,
Can you post where you got your information. I checked city of new York back to 2009. There were three incidents where police in new York shot a suspect (as in one) and hit bystanders. In all three incidents the suspect was either killed or wounded and captured. On top of that the ballistic reports indicated bystanders were hit by pieces of the bullets in all cases but one. In that one the suspect had murdered a person and when the police approached him he pulled out his gun and the two cops fired ten rounds into the suspect. Two rounds passed through the suspect and struck bystanders. All other bystanders were struck by pieces of the bullets after they struck solid objects.

So from your uneducated post, I'd bet you think this was the officers fault.

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Oddball Inactive Member07 Dec 2015 6:18 a.m. PST

Ironwolf and CorroPredo,

Don't let facts get in the way of a good cop basing story.

When you bring in studies on ballistics, reconstruction of crime scenes and events leading up to incidents, it just fogs peoples minds who see the police as the oppressors of the aged peace loving hippies from the 60's and their offspring.

They know that criminals just need a hug and a good love circle while holding hands singing Kumbaya will lead them on the right path.

The closest I could come to a police shoot out in NYC was the 2012 at the Empire State Building where the guy who killed his former boss was engaged by 2 patrolmen. 9 civies were hit and the gunmen killed.

If you have not yet seen the movie "Hot Fuzz" watch it. You will know someone who fits in with every character in the movie.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2015 11:55 a.m. PST

They know that criminals just need a hug and a good love circle while holding hands singing Kumbaya will lead them on the right path.

Ah, yes, the "Barbara Streisand School of Therapy". Brilliant.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2015 1:19 p.m. PST

As long as they don't trespass on her property to get to the public beach, then a good dose of mace in the face is called for.

Personal logo Ironwolf Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2015 4:37 a.m. PST

Oddball,
yep, that was the one I referred to. Of the nine people hit, two of them were hit by bullets that went through the suspect and struck them. The other seven were hit by fragments after they struck solid objects.

hahaha, Barbara Streisand is the poster child of America. All criminals should be treated like 5 year old children. Unless Barbara is the victim then the criminal needs to be executed and their family put in prison. lol

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2015 4:24 p.m. PST

I reflexively support the police unless the facts are objectively damning, like the shooting in SC last year. When they abuse their position, they should absolutely pay. We have a local former police chief and several former officers in jail. – Repeated, proven cases of suborning sex acts to forgive tickets, covering up financial shenanigans etc.
I did my mostly peacetime service. There were some tense moments, but in the USAF you pretty much knew what was up. I respect the fact that while most police never fire a round in anger, that day can be any shift they work.

goragrad09 Dec 2015 6:49 p.m. PST

Missed this incident oddball -

A mentally disturbed man is wandering through traffic outside New York's Port Authority Bus Terminal. Naturally, the NYPD open fire. They miss the guy. However, the sidewalks being full of people, they manage to hit two female pedestrians, one of them already using a walker, which comes in handy when the coppers shoot you in the leg. So the DA charges the guy with assaulting the women: "The defendant is the one that created the situation that injured innocent bystanders," said an assistant district attorney, Shannon Lucey. Ah, yes: the "situation" injured the innocent bystanders. If you outlaw guns, only situations will have guns. The defendant is looking at 25 years in jail for the crime of provoking law enforcement into shooting random citizens. If this flies in New York, then there is no law.

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From 2013.

But then I suppose it doesn't qualify as a 'shootout' if only the police shoot.

And as to the Empire State incident, not to turn this into politics but of interest (from reddit) -

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NYPD officer here to answer any questions. Here are some facts:

•Every officer hired since the introduction of pistols in the NYPD back in the early nineties is NOT allowed to use a revolver as their service weapon. They must choose between a Glock 19, S&W 5946, or a Sig p226. All of these guns are in DAO variant and have NO external safety.

•Everyone who is allowed to carry a gun in the department (not everyone is) has to re-qualify once every six months (give or take, it's been as short as five and as long as nine sometimes).

•MOST NYPD officers fire their FIRST gun, ever in their entire lives, at the police academy, some as young as 21 to as old as 35 shooting for their very first time, and on a DAO pistol.

•The qualifications are HORRIBLE mad get dumbed down every year.

•The NYPD offers once a month training for members to use, on their own time. However, all that is done during these sessions are the same basic dumbed down qualification exercises. You will only receive real help if you outright fail. Missed 12 out of fifty @ 7 yards? GOOD ENOUGH!

•Our tactical training is a joke and maybe ten people in a department of 34K have had Active Shooter training (I'm not exaggerating).

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