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Gunfreak21 Nov 2012 4:21 p.m. PST

Of botulinum toxin, aperantly that is more then enough to kill every single "motherBleeped texter in the room" but in this case the room is earth, and every single motherBleeped texter is about 7 billion people.

In 2011, all the worlds medical research that needed the toxin only needed less then 1 gram to suply them all!

Brian Bronson21 Nov 2012 5:56 p.m. PST

If that's all that's needed to fulfill some nutjob environmentalist whackjob's fantasy, then I'm darn glad that less than 1 gram exists!!

Gunfreak21 Nov 2012 6:33 p.m. PST

Well it wouldn't be very invormentaly sound either, Botulinum toxins kills EVERYTHING, might be hard to kill water life, but all life on the land would be dead, mice, turtles, birds, insects, dogs, cats, wolfs, cows, cheetahs, croccodiles, lizzards, monkeys, giraffes, kangaroos, snakes, elephants, rhinos, beavers, lions, bears, seals, well EVERYTHING.

And it's not like it's hard to get, the bacteria that makes the toxin is found is almost all soil, luckely the bacteria only makes the toxin in anaerobic conditions

Bowman22 Nov 2012 7:10 a.m. PST

If that's all that's needed to fulfill some nutjob environmentalist whackjob's fantasy, then I'm darn glad that less than 1 gram exists!!

Not so fast. That is the requirement for medical research. There is a lot more around. The demand for use will skyrocket as cosmetic Botox and Dysport injections become more commonplace.

Plus don't forget weapon grade botulinum toxin. Countries that have/had botulinum weapons research include such winners as Iran, Iraq and Syria.

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I get the "nut job" and "whackjob" descriptions, but "environmentalist"?

Eclectic Wave23 Nov 2012 7:53 a.m. PST

Yes, it's pretty nasty, but rememeber it occures naturally in nature, ands it's rather hard to be poisoned with it. The method of transmission, even of weapon grade botulinum toxin, is clumsy, you have to breath it in (weapon grade) or ingest it or have it contaminate a open wound.

The Toxin breaks down very quickly, death takes place between 24 and 72 hours, and there exists known reliable treatments for botulinum toxin poisioning.

The same amount of say, potassium-40, which is a gamma radiation source, it much more toxic, stays dangerous for years, contaminates the material around it with radiation, has no real effective treatment and which is used in testing, construction, medicene, and is much more widely available, is a LOT more scary then the Botulium Toxin.

GypsyComet24 Nov 2012 9:04 a.m. PST

"environmentalist"?

In the same way the Batman villain Ra's Al-Ghul is an environmentalist: "to save the world, we need to remove all the people."

Bowman25 Nov 2012 8:02 a.m. PST

In the same way the Batman villain Ra's Al-Ghul is an environmentalist: "to save the world, we need to remove all the people."

My point exactly. If you have to allude to a comic book, then the point is on pretty shaky foundations.

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