"per se" Topic
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| Mrs Pumblechook | 31 May 2009 10:23 p.m. PST |
Hoping someone who knows latin can help In translating latin, does 'per se" together have a special meaning? I'm always thought it meant as such, or as it were, but when trying to translate a sentence I am looking up per and se independently and it sounds funny.
What I have is "Ipsi per se eum vicerunt neque auxilium petiverunt", what I think that means is "They, themselves defeated him by means of themselves and they sought no help"
can anyone help? cheers JAc |
| Connard Sage | 01 Jun 2009 1:28 a.m. PST |
According to my old Latin grammar it can be rendered as 'of/by itself/themselves' |
| Mrs Pumblechook | 03 Jun 2009 4:38 a.m. PST |
thanks! think I've got it now I had – they themselves defeated him and they did not seek help but its probably They by themselves defeated him and they did not seek help |
| Connard Sage | 03 Jun 2009 6:02 a.m. PST |
In English "They defeated him by themselves, without seeking any help" is a bit more elegant, I think, for a literal(ish) translation. …but what do I know? It's been over 35 years since Ovid last troubled me :) |
| Mrs Pumblechook | 03 Jun 2009 11:34 p.m. PST |
damn, I wish I got that last post BEFORE I put in my assignment |
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