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Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Supporting Member of TMP17 Dec 2008 2:05 p.m. PST

Whenever I come home, my big galoot of dog named Dave runs up to me wagging his tail and then he shows his teeth in what sort of looks like a smile. Do dogs smile, or do they just wag their tails when they are happy>

jizbrand17 Dec 2008 2:14 p.m. PST

Generally speaking, the "smile" is an aggressive thing -- baring the teeth. So, most dogs don't do this. But there are some who have learned that our smiles aren't aggressive, even though we're baring our teeth. Some of those learn to smile in response to our smiles and the feelings that go along with them.

I had an Alsatian who, I swear, smiled too. So, I'm a believer. But, the current crop of hounds don't smile at all.

I've also read that tail-wagging isn't a sign of happiness but rather a sign of ambivalence. In other words, the dog wants to do two conflicting things. Like wanting to jump up to greet you but at the same time wanting to sit in place to be petted (because you've trained him that way); so, he stands and wags his tail. Sometimes, I can see this, but I'm not entirely convinced that this is true yet. Just food for thought.

nycjadie17 Dec 2008 2:33 p.m. PST

I like to think my bulldog smiles at me when I see her. She's on my profile above. Bulldogs have a lot of facial character, and I can generally tell her mood and what she's thinking just by looking at her face. So, in that way I think she has a smile. Her eyes light up, her mouth goes open, the back of her mouth parts back but the jowels hang low over her jaw.

When she's extremely excited, her upper lip peels back to show her buckteeth. When I have meat or cheese for her, that's generally her facial expression.

She also has anxious face, scared face, pensive face, etc.

I've never seen her angry face yet. In fact, I've never seen an angry bulldog, English or French.

Mike G17 Dec 2008 2:53 p.m. PST

The answer is yes. But not for the same reasons that you do.

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Mike

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP17 Dec 2008 3:03 p.m. PST

Mine have certainly had looks on their face that I know was their "happy face".

UltraOrk17 Dec 2008 3:25 p.m. PST

Greyhounds do.

altfritz17 Dec 2008 5:26 p.m. PST

"In reality, the "smile" is indicating that the dog is not threatening to overturn the status quo."

Same as with humans then.

I agree that dogs smile, but from the description in that link, I'm thinking of a different expression I think.

I also believe that dogs are more individual than many people think and don't necessarily buy into all the "hard-wiring" crap. Unless you concede that humans are wired much the same way.

Custer7thcav17 Dec 2008 5:53 p.m. PST

dogs smile.

My dog when I was growing up smiled.

My employer brings his dog to work most days and the dog smiles.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian17 Dec 2008 6:11 p.m. PST

Experts say dogs don't smile.

Experts are wrong. grin

lugal hdan17 Dec 2008 6:12 p.m. PST

In all-dog packs? Not sure.

Dogs are obviously trainable and eager to fit into the pack, so I imagine that they learn how to smile to better communicate with their humans. Same with tail-wagging.

15th Hussar18 Dec 2008 4:35 a.m. PST

One of my terriers I had when I was a kid used to do the same exact thing that DaF descrbed. While I'm sure she was smiling and was happy to see me, I'm also certain it's a pack instinct sort of thing.

E Murray18 Dec 2008 7:32 a.m. PST

We had a lab who would show his teeth when we came home and he greeted us at the gate. We never interpreted it as a smile, though. We thought he was trying to show us he'd been guarding the place while we were gone.

Roderick Robertson Fezian18 Dec 2008 12:07 p.m. PST

I had a dog that would grin most mischeviously after doing something he *knew* was wicked – like move a crocket ball behind a tree (because of him we had an "Act of Dog" clause in our crocket games…)

OldGrenadier at work18 Dec 2008 1:18 p.m. PST

I really think it depends on their sense of humor.

nazrat19 Dec 2008 2:53 p.m. PST

GREAT answer, OG!

I have a dog, and she smiles big for anybody that visits the house, or when I come home from a job. If she didn't do it to me as well I might have thought it some nervous angry expression or something.

Lord Hypnogogue19 Dec 2008 4:32 p.m. PST

They can smile and yes, they CAN look up.

christot17 Jan 2009 2:07 p.m. PST

According to my missus they can….but then, she has a rather tenous grip on reality as far as animals are concerned.

Swampking31 Jan 2009 1:19 p.m. PST

I think my two shepards smile but for different reasons – one because she's a bimbo [she chases anything in the air – bugs, snow, rain, voices, etc.] and the other because she's very mischevious.

'Science' experts are idiots when it comes to animals – and I think that any pet owner knows that. After living with 2 dogs, 2 birds and a rabbit for the past 7 years, I don't believe a thing that animal 'experts' say – unless, of course, I agree with them.

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