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Mrs Pumblechook27 Sep 2008 10:37 p.m. PST

What sort of word formation/type/whatever is "great bawl of china" meaning they got upset about something at the Olympics and 'great haul of china' re how many medals they have. Is it metaphor or analogy? I'm getting confused. Same as referring to the great wall of china as the mongol-proof fence, which is a reference to the dingo-proof fence in Australia, I think that would be analogy but I just want to check.

Is anyone who is good in categorizing words willing to check some assumptions I have made re words?

I have a paper due and I want to make sure i have got my info right.

I need to know and am getting very confused with word type. Is there anyone

aecurtis Fezian28 Sep 2008 12:33 a.m. PST

None of those three are either metaphor or analogy. Each is an example of a play on words; the rhetorical term is "paronomasia".

Hope that helps.

Allen

Whatisitgood4atwork28 Sep 2008 12:51 a.m. PST

Well it's not a metaphor IMO.

It is not saying the bawl / haul is in any way LIKE the Great Wall of China (or is so similar that it can be said it IS the great wall of China).

For the same reason I would say not an analogy either, in that the row is not similar to the wall in function or form.

I would just call it a pun personally. It is also an aphorism.

Mongol proof fence is an analogy IMO in that the function of the Great Wall is analogous to the rabbit (or dingo)-proof fence. ie: keeping undesirables out.

I am certainly willing to give you a hand testing your assumptions if I can, so long as you don't make an assumption that I will get things right.

I may be able to give you a different opinion and some food for thought though.

Craig

Sane Max28 Sep 2008 1:10 a.m. PST

aaaaaargh AE spoils it all again by getting it right.
Figures of Speech were my thing, a while back.
Paranomasia it certainly is, and a nasty form of it. I have some cream will clear it right up.

'He who will Paranomasise will bayonett a baby' Doctor Johnson.

What is the name of the figure of speech parodied in the Mitchell and Webb 'Watergategate' sketch? I HATE watergategate.

Pat

Mrs Pumblechook28 Sep 2008 4:25 a.m. PST

Alan, that is very helpful thanks. I've been doing lots of reading trying to improve my vocabulary in the field, but I haven't come across "paronomasia" before. Sometimes the explanation of a concept/linguistic category is also written in jargon, and I'm having trouble getting some of it to sinnk in.

Craig, I just sent you PM

Pat, I remember that skit, I'll have to look it up again. thanks

cheers

mweaver28 Sep 2008 2:48 p.m. PST

"…but I haven't come across 'paronomasia' before."

Me either. I love TMP.

mad mac29 Sep 2008 4:18 a.m. PST

I would have called them puns myself.

aecurtis Fezian29 Sep 2008 5:03 a.m. PST

Same thing! grin

Allen

Last Hussar04 Oct 2008 1:34 a.m. PST

I want to remember that- how is it pronounced- "paro -nom -asia"?

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