| Chris PzTp | 28 Feb 2008 8:15 a.m. PST |
According to this the discussion in this topic TMP link : Panzer is a United States Registered Trademark #75951053, registration #2845197. Can someone explain what this means? (By the way, the product being discussed appears to me to be a very good one. I'm not trying to imply anything negative towards the product or the manufacturer.) |
| Rudysnelson | 28 Feb 2008 8:26 a.m. PST |
GHQ has trademarked miroarmor back in the 1970s. I had the term on one of my sets of rules in 1984 and had to remove them from the market and drop the term 'For mirco-armor' |
| Rudysnelson | 28 Feb 2008 8:28 a.m. PST |
Yaquinto had a set of rules titled Panzer and both SPI and Avalon Hill used the term in several of their rules sets. |
| Sane Max | 28 Feb 2008 8:28 a.m. PST |
A trade Mark protects the thing you produce. He appears to be trying to register the use of Panzer for his paper flats. It would not stop you calling anything else a Panzer – just paper flats that could be confused with his product. I would say that was unreasonable BTW, but I am not a lawyer. Pat |
| 11th ACR | 28 Feb 2008 8:29 a.m. PST |
Call them "MINUTE SISTERN"! I think I will trademark that. |
| artbraune | 28 Feb 2008 8:38 a.m. PST |
I thought this was odd too… Checked here and ran a search: link
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link Plug in "Panzer" and a whole list of "Panzer" trademarks pops up… How interesting… Art |
| No Name02 | 28 Feb 2008 8:39 a.m. PST |
Yes I also believe that it applies to the area in which you want to to use it. So the German army can still call their tanks, panzers. |
| artbraune | 28 Feb 2008 8:44 a.m. PST |
Click here to take a look at the actual Trademark in question: link Word Mark PANZER
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Compact discs containing game rules for use with a military board game featuring miniature figures played on a tabletop. FIRST USE: 20031014. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20031014 |
| Grinning Norm | 28 Feb 2008 9:23 a.m. PST |
While not Compact discs, I think there are MANY cases where the FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20031014 bit can be contested. |
 Virtualscratchbuilder   | 28 Feb 2008 10:56 a.m. PST |
Dead links, NeghVar, 'cause they're temporary search results rather than a static pages. |
| Genesteeler | 28 Feb 2008 12:54 p.m. PST |
Don't miss out on another live trademark with the same title: PANZER
Translations The foreign wording in the mark translates into English as heavy armour.
Goods and Services IC 033. US 047 049. G & S: Vodka  Now that's something I didn't know about. Which got me searching other titles: KALASHNIKOV
Goods and Services IC 032. US 045 046 048. G & S: beers; mineral and aerated waters and other non-alcoholic drinks, namely, fruit drinks and fruit juices; syrups and other preparations for making beverages, namely, fruit drinks; carbonated beverages, namely, soft drinks
IC 033. US 047 049. G & S: Alcoholic beverages, namely, wine, alcoholic carbonated beverages, namely, wine coolers; alcoholic fruit juice cocktails consisting of vodka and fruit juices; alcoholic fruit drink cocktails consisting of vodka and fruit drinks; distilled spirits; vodka; |
| Last Hussar | 29 Feb 2008 6:02 p.m. PST |
How far they could pursue/sue would dependon context. Panzer is the Greman word for armour, so they would never be able to enforce in that context. However no one else can use 'Panzer' as a wargames rule set- Think of Warhammer, Games Workshop don't sue every one who makes a figure "…holding warhammer" (unless it is a rule book). This is why although we have the 'Games Workshop Hobby' we are still 'wargamers' playing 'wargames' |
| zoneofcontrol | 29 Feb 2008 7:14 p.m. PST |
If I base my 15mm German Tanks on old CD's does that mean I am violating the law? |
| Mobius | 01 Mar 2008 8:40 a.m. PST |
Some of that trademark is pretty fuzzy. While you can name your new car model or cell phone a "panzer" and you won't infringe on the "Panzer" game rule sets. You won't be able to name your new car model or cell phone a "Coke" or "Pepsi". Even though no one would mistake a car for a bottle of soda. |
| Matsuru Sami Kaze | 01 Mar 2008 8:58 a.m. PST |
There are so many ways around that. try "panzer" in lower case
add an article: the Panzer(s), Das Panzer
add a noun: Panzer Forces, Panzer Men, Panzer Fear, Panzer Fuel, Panzer Food
add an adverb: Forever Panzers
add a verb: Panzers Rule
add a prepositional phrase: Panzers Uber Alles
add a sentence: Hug a Panzer, or Run, Panzers! I'm preparing for other trademarked words too. Wasabi, Banana, Apple has been taken, but I can work with it. |
| Matsuru Sami Kaze | 01 Mar 2008 9:00 a.m. PST |
I'm not really sure Banana has been trademarked. And I really don't know about Wasabi, but I ate some once and it nearly knocked me out of my seat. |
