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Cacique Caribe12 Aug 2007 1:32 a.m. PST

One poor deformed guy's skull from 900 years ago, and some people jump to conclusions of alien-human hybrids and greys:

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starchildproject.com
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I guess that, if anything, it might make good gaming material.

CC

Cacique Caribe12 Aug 2007 1:42 a.m. PST

These people see aliens everywhere they look, including cultures that practiced cranial manipulation:

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CC

Judas Iscariot12 Aug 2007 1:59 a.m. PST

CC,

Those first links that you produced were not of an abnormal skull at all…

They came from a perfectly normal and proportioned skull.

They just show the bottom of the skull where the cranial-spinal transition occurs.

To the untrained/ignorant… It looks like the front of a skull with close-set small eyes, and a bizarre nasal cavity.. The "nasal" cavity is the "Foramen Magnum" (where the spinal cord runs), and what look like eyes could be the "Mandibular Fossa"… Although, now that I look again… They are set to close to the Occipital Bone (or are a part of it). It you look at the bottom of the skull you can see an opening that is probably an enlargement of the Foramen Magnum or a process that developed due to the next point…

There is just one thing about this skull… It is from an undeveloped/underdeveloped person… either a child who was aborted or one who was born prematurely and/or suffered from some sort of mutation.

It probably died of what caused these deformaties…

And, yes… People from all over the planet have been engaged in skull deformation for mellinia…. and people have been thinking that they are extra-terrestrials for the last half a century because of ignorance of these practices… Go figure..

Cacique Caribe12 Aug 2007 2:05 a.m. PST

It is a bit big for a child (though the jaw seems to be extrapolated):

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Another comparison shot:

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CC

gary seven12 Aug 2007 3:41 a.m. PST

The starchild project has established that this is the front view of the skull not the bottom .

The key to the skull seems to be the DNA testing which has been dragging on for some time . This raises doubts in my mind as to its origins . Not forgetting the fact that they need more money to finalise the DNA testing … sounds dodgy …

And why would u want to practice cranial manipulation ??

Possibly to look like an alien ?? Because your culture held them in high regard & who u might percieve to be god like … or just to have a really big head ..

who knows ……….

Hrothgar Returns12 Aug 2007 4:38 a.m. PST

I think it explains the suspicious disappearance of Kazoo from the Flintstones

Judas Iscariot12 Aug 2007 5:07 a.m. PST

DNA testing wouldn't tell you whether that was the front or rear view of a skull…

I looked at the Starchild site, and it does indeed appear to be the front of a skull, although one that is missing the Nasal, Nasal Sceptum, Zygomatic, and Maxillia bones.

The Orbits, Frontal and sphenoid look to be pretty deformed though. The Frontal bone looking very much like the Occipital bone in a skull (being the bone immediately opposite the frontal on the back of the skull). As for it being 1/2 as thick/massive and 2x as strong… Since I have not seen the skull, and do not know how they came to this determination… The Layer of "Shellack" applied by teh discoverer of the skull probably has something to do woth that fact… as do the several less than professional proceedures that seem to have been applied to the skull.

There are several facts that are presented in the "StarChild" site that are blatantly ignored: Its location when it was found, and the effects of skull deformation, which are highly present in the populations of the area it was found at the guessed at age.

The location where it was found indicate that it came from a culture that practiced Skull-Deformation. Pretty much ALL South, and Meso-American cultures in the Pre-Columbian Period practiced Skull-Deformation of one kind or another. Many continue to do so to this day.

They also point to the cranial Sutures as "unusual", being too closed to be a child, yet not fully developed like an adult. They seem to TOTALLY Ignore the fact that skull-deformation tends to mutate the cranial sutures in pretty unpredictable ways. They will both close and fuse prematurely, and will tend to form structures that are not usually present in ANY skull that has not been deformed in some way.

They also make a big deal out of the piece of maxillia that has been found; indicating that the presence of unerupted (not grown in) tooth buds indicates that it was a child, yet the level of erosion on the erupted teeth is too great to be that of a child. This completely ignores the fact that the foods of a pre-industrial culture tended to be rougher and contain contaminents that erode teeth much faster than do modern foods in the same environments. Peices of stone present in breads and grain foods from the methods of grinding the flours made with grains during the period were completely ignored by the site…

Also, the "fibers' Inside the skull could be the result of some abnormality such as Cruzoun's syndrome… Which they later make a comparison of, along with another "Abnormal" skull, both of which share MANY of the "StarChild" skull's properties (Flattened skull, closed/fused sutures, shallow eye-sockets/orbitals, etc…)

The process of cranial deformation is something that is present in a lot of civilizations in the Americas and S Pacific island cultures. Considering that there has been some recent discovery of genetic links between Several Lower American Native populations and those of Pacific Islanders… It is not surprising that these practices are shared by these cultures.

As to "why".. It is a practice that is designed to emulate the "Gods" of these cultures.

Most of the images of "Gods" (and even of Aliens) are what is known as latent Archetypal imagery… They are deformations that are present in a sort of body form that we have in our sub-conscious. Also, sort of ftrangely, they are also exaggerations of the proportions of a child. There has been a great deal of discussion as to why these images tend to replicate those of an infant human or primate (as infant primate skulls are VERY similar, even between species)..

I doubt that there were aliens present who caused their own veneration among ancient man… There is just no evidence for such a thing, and it is a wild eyed idea from dreamers who have more imagination than they do sense… I find it very interesting that the cultures where aliens are supposed to have visited did not progress beyond certain points… They may have made "great leaps" in technological or scientific progress at one point, but these "leaps" failed to carry that civilization very far… The Egyptians barely grasped the significance of the wheel, the American civilizations didn't grasp that significance at all. Their math never progressed beyond basic algebra, and what has seemed, until very recently, as astounding mathematical and astronomical feats, have proven to be just simple constructs that used multiple error checking routines to produce fairly accurate astronomical alignment… Then, these cultures just sort of stalled, and went nowhere else until another more advanced cultue came along to supplant them (Europeans in the case of the Americas, Hittites and then Greeks in the case of the Egyptians… Come to think of it… The Greeks came along to a lot of these civilizations, and they never really have been promoted as having been visited by aliens… Of course, there is always someone out there who will claim that all cultures were visited by aliens at one point or another)…

Last point about the SC skull… I could not find in their site anywhere where it said WHO was doing the testing on this skull… The one name that I found is in CA, NOT in Vancouver BC, where they claim the testing was done (Trace Genetics, which after I looked them up have not been in business long enough to have done the testing either)…

I can find no other references to any institution, only to a few individuals who are listed in several papers… I bet if I look them up, they will all prove to be either crackpots or will have had their fidnings taken out of context.

mrwigglesworth12 Aug 2007 6:26 a.m. PST

This Starchild?
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LaTrey12 Aug 2007 6:48 a.m. PST

mrwigglesworth read my mind! LOL

blackscribe12 Aug 2007 8:30 a.m. PST

Alexander the Great vs. Flying Saucers:

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Banuchi12 Aug 2007 1:19 p.m. PST

heh,heh…

Cacique Caribe12 Aug 2007 1:23 p.m. PST

Blackscribe,

Now THAT Alexander the Great film I'd pay to see.

CC

Prophet12 Aug 2007 4:25 p.m. PST

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(link to pictures of congenital hydrocephalus)

smokingwreckage12 Aug 2007 8:02 p.m. PST

Is it me or is the entire jaw and lower nasal area a really, REALLY dodgy reconstruction?

Judas may be right in his analysis of the skull as being photographed from the wrong angle, to the extent that IIRC some genetic disorders can cause the wrong parts of the spine to grow in the wrong places. I knew someone a few years back whose posture was awful because their spine had in essence gotten all the vertebrae in the reverse order (or something equally odd and inconvenient). For another example of just how wrong nature can get it, a lamb was born this year in New Zealand with seven legs (one of which had two feet) and no lower intestine. It was born live but had to be destroyed due to the lack of intestine.

Also, since some African cultures practice neck elongation, does that mean some aliens were just like us but with long necks?

smokingwreckage12 Aug 2007 8:04 p.m. PST

NB the lamb above was NOT a sheep-octopus hybrid, nor had Cthullhu been out in the fields "gettin' it awn" with the ovines.

Judas Iscariot12 Aug 2007 9:36 p.m. PST

I HIGHLY Recommend that people avoid the link that Prophet has provided…

Just take my word for it:

This link contains ALL of the explanations for the "StarChild" skull…

Unless you have spent a GREAT deal of time working in the medical field, or just like seeing some of the most unfortunate and grotesque matuations or malformations of the human condition… Avoid this link….

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2007 7:29 a.m. PST

"Alexander the Great vs. Flying Saucers:"

Bwa-ha-ha-ha! Is the author serious or just having one on? What nonsense— especially since the author has the destruction of Tyre happening 7 years after the invasion of India!!!!????!!! Methinks this bozo doesn't even know that BC dates are counted backwards…

blackscribe13 Aug 2007 7:53 a.m. PST

I chose that link because it is one of the *less* bizarre 'Alexander sees aliens' stories I've seen. One involves him commissioning some submersibles so he can observe their underwater antics:

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Check out the brief bit under "In UFO Lore." IMHO, this might be the greatest comic book never written.

Cacique Caribe13 Aug 2007 11:14 a.m. PST

LOL!!!!!

CC

Judas Iscariot13 Aug 2007 1:26 p.m. PST

Parzival… I wondered about the same thing… I was thinking… "WFT?!?! I know that Tyre was destroyed before he fought Poros in India…"

I also wonder if he is confusing "Silver Shields" with the Agyraspids. Although I know that the Agyraspids were a Seleucid unit… It would not surprise me if the guy had tried to translate the original sources himself and just didnt bother looking at anything but the words "Silver", "Shield" or "Silver Shield(s)".

I mean, the rest of his stuff is so shoddy that I wouldn't be surprised if he was reading the sources backwards… He is certainly running time that way.

jpattern214 Aug 2007 9:50 a.m. PST

These people see aliens everywhere they look …


Amen, CC.

Cacique Caribe05 Mar 2008 9:32 p.m. PST
Covert Walrus12 Mar 2008 3:43 a.m. PST

And BTW, neck elongation is a myth; What happens in these people is that the weight of the neck rings/decorations actaully shoves the collarbones and shoulders down to such an extent, the neck appears longer, by comparison. The muscles also atrophy in the neck since the rings take up the support of the skull giving a thin look that makes it look longer as well.

And do not get me started on artificial skull deformation . . .

Cacique Caribe12 Mar 2008 3:47 a.m. PST

Here ya go, Covert Walrus. Go for it:

TMP link

Enjoy.

CC

Covert Walrus12 Mar 2008 3:47 a.m. PST

Smokingwreckage, of course Cthulhu does not molest sheep here in NZ.

however, we do think that the Keas take parts off cars in order to trade them with the penguins for relics from the Mountains of Madness . . . An dif you ever meet a Kea taking your windscreen wipers apart, you'd would not put it past them either.

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