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Who asked this joker16 Jun 2015 8:02 a.m. PST

So this one came from out of the blue. Has anyone heard of or know anymore information about this rules set? Review? Battle report?

Kent Reuber Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2015 8:12 a.m. PST

Are there adaptations to the English Civil War?

Jcfrog16 Jun 2015 8:18 a.m. PST

Now Nick man, you need pics, AaR, reviews in depth, scales, designer philosophy. Yes, I know a lot.

Who asked this joker16 Jun 2015 8:34 a.m. PST

I did find a FB page that does have a pic or two. Spanish language though.

Thomas Mante16 Jun 2015 9:23 a.m. PST

There is a link on the facebook page to a website:

elkraken.es/released/en

A link to a 'lite' version is available for download but only available in Spanish at the present time. North Star are selling an English language version of the full set of 'Tercios'

Jcfrog16 Jun 2015 9:26 a.m. PST

Caramba… Only in Spanish. Relapse of Philip V hopes of world suprmacy.

Who asked this joker16 Jun 2015 9:38 a.m. PST

A little translate and one can figure out how this thing works. grin

Thanks for the link Thomas!

jstaunton16 Jun 2015 10:11 a.m. PST

Didn't see Catholic League listed as an army choice.

Knob16 Jun 2015 10:30 a.m. PST

From the Brevis Editio it appears they are using large basing similar to Impetus. But this is just a suggestion and not required. It will be as other games, as long as both sides have the same basing system, DBx/FoG, Impetus, Pike & Shotte, it will no matter. It is also card driven, there are cards to move, fire, melee, etc.

Sorry, I am reading as I can at work and updating when able…

Timmo uk16 Jun 2015 11:00 a.m. PST

I'd be interested to know more. At £15.00 GBP it's not too much to risk buying a copy but it would of course help to have a bit more information. The fact that it is card driven appeals to me.

NickNorthStar16 Jun 2015 12:14 p.m. PST

Yeah, sorry I can't say more about it. We have a deal to import the marvellous Painting War magazines from Spain, and this is from the same publishers. We haven't played it yet as it only arrived the other day. If someone is interested in giving an in-depth on-line review (in English) drop us a line.

Personal logo ageofglory Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Jun 2015 12:18 p.m. PST

Just received a few copies from Nick. I'll be reading it over this week, but it seems well produced.

ezza12316 Jun 2015 12:55 p.m. PST

The 'lite' version of the rules, in Spanish, can be found at: link

Suggested 28mm basing for Tercios is 12cm x 12cm, other infantry are 12cm x 6cm. Cavalry and detached companies are 8cm x 4cm. Alternatively Tercios and infantry can be made up of 4cm x 4 cm bases, with cavalry on 5cm x 2.5cm bases. Suggested basing for 15mm is also given.

Even for a non-Spanish speaker like me, having a flick through the rules and examples gives an idea of how they will play. Everything seems to be laid out in a clear and logical manner, with examples of play. Did notice though that on page 1 they have the dates of the Thirty Years War as being from 1608-1648.

Ezza

Who asked this joker16 Jun 2015 1:38 p.m. PST

Did notice though that on page 1 they have the dates of the Thirty Years War as being from 1608-1648.

Well…simple math will tell you that this is correct. I fail to see the problem. evil grin

OK. Minor typo aside flicking through the rules did reveal that it will probably be a fast/fun game.

Xan Miniatures Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Jun 2015 2:33 p.m. PST

A very good rules.
Congratulations for the english edition.

Espāņa, mi natura, Italia,mi ventura, Flandes, mi sepultura.

Best wishes:
Xan

Kadrinazi17 Jun 2015 4:52 a.m. PST

Seems funny when first painting shown in 'TYW' wargaming system is 'Battle of Kircholm' from 1605 ;)

Capt Flash17 Jun 2015 6:37 a.m. PST

Xan, I like that quote! Where is it from? Or are you a poet?
😁

Capt Flash17 Jun 2015 6:39 a.m. PST

Will these be available from Brigade Games or On Military Matters?

Who asked this joker17 Jun 2015 7:11 a.m. PST

So here is the rundown based on the rather imperfect google translate and what I could get from the rules in a short time.

Movement is somewhat IGO-UGO. Each player drops order cards on units and they somehow alternate moves. If they get within 3" of an enemy, that enemy may choose to react if it has not moved yet. Your moves have to be within the guidelines of the order that you gave them.

Shooting and combat use the same mechanic. You roll a handful of dice and try to score hits. The target number is based on the matchup. Usually it is either a 4+ or a 5+.

Now the enemy unit rolls a number of dice equal to the courage of that unit. A flat number of a 5+ negates 1 hit. Any unsaved hits cause a wear point. If you take more wear points than the unit has stamina, there is a chance the unit will break and run (eliminated). Again, number of dice equal to the discipline of the unit with a flat target number of 6. For these sorts of checks, at least 1 die must reach the target number or the check fails.

Terrain can modify combat and shooting.

So the game is quite simple and is right up my alley. The game is also element based. You will have to have some way to mark casualties, either by a roster, tiddly winks, numeric chits or casualty figures.

One question: "Salvas" eluded my translation. It means "saves" according to google. It is a defense stat though…as in the target number an enemy needs to hit. Can someone tell me what it means in this context?

dbf167617 Jun 2015 9:51 a.m. PST

"One question: "Salvas" eluded my translation. It means "saves" according to google. It is a defense stat though…as in the target number an enemy needs to hit. Can someone tell me what it means in this context?"

"Salvo" in English = "salva" in Spanish, at least according to Google Translate.

Who asked this joker17 Jun 2015 10:12 a.m. PST

"Salvo" in English = "salva" in Spanish, at least according to Google Translate.

Thanks. I figured that must be what it meant. Never thought to reverse the translation! So, defense against shooting apparently then.

Xan Miniatures Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jun 2015 10:25 a.m. PST

Hi Capt Flash:
It is a phrase of the time.
More Thanks You.
Best wishes:
Xan

Xan Miniatures Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jun 2015 10:30 a.m. PST

"Salva" in Spanish also means barrage of gunfire, rifle volley of shots.
Best wishes:
Xan

ezza12317 Jun 2015 1:13 p.m. PST

A bit of an overview of the rules here: elkraken.es/released/en/tercios

The order cards for the rules, in English, are available here: link

Also the quick reference sheet, in English, can be found at: link

Ezza

mad monkey 117 Jun 2015 2:06 p.m. PST

The Brief edition in english:
link

Gave them a quick read. Like what I read.

Capt Flash17 Jun 2015 8:41 p.m. PST

Thanks Xan.

Atheling17 Jun 2015 11:55 p.m. PST

I take it that as it's part of the Painting War series with it's emphasis on quality painted 28mm mini's that the game can be played in 28mm?

Darrell.

Just Add Water Blog:
link
Gewalthaufen (Late 15th /Early 16th Century) Blog:
gewalthaufen.blogspot.co.uk
La Journee (Early 15th Century Blog):
link
Shooting Leave (Late Victorian Blog

Reactionary18 Jun 2015 3:09 a.m. PST

These look intersting

Marcus Brutus18 Jun 2015 7:47 a.m. PST

It really reminds me of Impetus in approach. Quite interested.

CFeicht18 Jun 2015 4:25 p.m. PST

Can you use 6mm figs?

Who asked this joker18 Jun 2015 6:19 p.m. PST

Can you use 6mm figs?

It is element based so figures are irrelevant. I suspect that 6mm on big bases would really look the part.

Gattamalata18 Jun 2015 6:24 p.m. PST

Any additional army lists?

NickNorthStar23 Jun 2015 7:06 a.m. PST

You can download the cards for free here:

link

Kent Reuber Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2015 8:45 a.m. PST

I just got the rules in the mail yesterday. I'll have to give them a go. One thing I'd like to see is some historical battle scenarios.

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