"Perry Release Latest WWII" Topic

i won't have my morris CS8 for christmas …

i love the French Foreign legion who could be used for other free french units too .

Some LRDG characters will became Free French too …

beautiful minis as always .

just missing for now a 25mm AT gun , and even an universal carrier converted as AT self propeled gun, an other free french "bricolage"

Nice.

Beautiful figures as always from the Perrys. I noticed the comment about different heads being available. I could not find the listing for those. I'm always on the lookout for useful heads for conversion. Can somebody point them out. Thanks

I noticed the comment about different heads being available. I could not find the listing for those.

As far as I can tell, they are at the moment only available as part of jeep sets. Though maybe the Perrys might consider releasing them also separately?

the jeep crews and separate heads will be useful … as a separate sets …

What scale are these? 28mm isn't a scale. Why can't people just use proper scale? There's a massive difference between 1/48 and 1/56.

They are 28mm, and people use that because most non-pedant wargamers know what approximate size that would be. There was even a poll here on TMP where the majority agreed that 28mm is a scale.

28mm will usually work together with 1/56. Vehicles for 28mm usually are scaled thus, though some use 1/64 (which look a bit on the small side, as 28mm usually means "to the eye" rather then "to the top"). 32mm usually works with 1/48.

"Usually" implies that there is no organisation that defines whats right or wrong, as in the ISO or DIN – or in mathematical scales.

Anyway, if you are on this website and do not know what 28mm means, you have some mileage before you :-)

28mm will usually work together with 1/56. Vehicles for 28mm usually are scaled thus, though some use 1/64 (which look a bit on the small side, as 28mm usually means "to the eye" rather then "to the top"). 32mm usually works with 1/48.

I disagree, and agree with OmniJackal that 28mm isn't a "scale".

I use 1/48 and 1/50 SCALE vehicles to game with my 28mm figures. To my eye 1/56 looks too small and 1/64 RIDICULOUSLY small with 28mm figures since the figures are on bases that may be several millimeters thick, adding to their height.

It's a legitimate question to ask the numerical relative scale of a model in this context, especially since you might have other similar models to use with them. If you've ever seen a 1/56 Sherman next to a 1/48 one you'll know they look pretty silly together. Humans may be different sizes and shapes which is why many 28mm figures can look okay together on the tabletop. However there's only one size and shape for a real-life tank and that's why exact scale matters.

To take a snide poke at OmniJackal for asking a reasonable and legitimate question is out of order.

Cheers

w.

So let me see if I understand this correctly. When you go to a miniature manufacturer and ask him what scale his figures are that he is making and selling you would expect him to reply back and say 1/100 or 1/72 or 1/56 or 1/48 or 1/35. You would not expect him to say 6mm or 10mm or 15mm or 28mm or 32mm. Is that correct? Or is it generally understood that he will reply back as most are saying?

So let me see if I understand this correctly. When you go to a miniature manufacturer and ask him what scale his figures are that he is making and selling you would expect him to reply back and say 1/100 or 1/72 or 1/56 or 1/48 or 1/35. You would not expect him to say 6mm or 10mm or 15mm or 28mm or 32mm. Is that correct? Or is it generally understood that he will reply back as most are saying?

For infantry figures, I would expect the answer "6mm", "28mm" etc.

For vehicles, I would expect "1/48", "1/56" etc.

The exception being 15mm, as it seems that manufacturers and gamers have accepted that "15mm" is an adequate description for that scale. Except for aircraft, as people may use either 1/100 or 1/144 planes for their 15mm games. And there is a big difference between those two scales.

But don't take my word for it, look around for yourself.

These are noted as "1/56":

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diewaffenkammer.com

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These are noted as "1/48":

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Apparently this is a dead issue because "it was all decided in a TMP Poll" so take that for what it's worth. All I'm saying is that when I'm buying vehicles for my WW2 gaming I want to know if they're 1/48 or 1/56. "28mm" isn't a good enough description.

Cheers

w.

Exactly in that vehicles are usually listed one way and figures are listed another way. But how do you list it as in this case where it is a combo of both? Do you let the vehicle size take the lead or the figure size? Or do you do both?

For me it is a case of 'if it looks right it is right'. Some models are of better quality than others, even if the others might be of a more correct scale to go with the figures. "Heroic" figures will take a greater scale, slighter figures such as the Perry North Africa range demand something smaller. I will look for a model that I like, and all of that vehicle type in a particular sub period will come from that maker. I would not mix the France 1940 Warlord Mk VIs who support my Crusader early war Brits with those from Perry which are in my Western Desert forces, apart from the colour scheme differences.
Cheers
G

Most 28mm figure manufacturers who also produce vehicles seem to have gone over to 1:56 scale for the vehicles – check their websites to confirm. A few who only make vehicles have gone with 1:48 and some make figures and vehicles in 1:48. Best advice is to stick with 1 manufacturer for a specific vehicle or for the whole range if you can, but check what it says on the web site/ask the manufacturer rather than going off on a rant here!

Lou,

Crusader Miniatures makes a very nice French 25mm 34SA antitank gun and crew, just FYI…..

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

"Apparently this is a dead issue because "it was all decided in a TMP Poll" so take that for what it's worth."

Nice misquote there. Keep up the good work.

As for the scale of the vehicles, my understanding is that the vehicles sold in the Perry website (both their own and Blitzkrieg Miniatures) are supposed to be 1/56 in scale. However, I don't think this is explicitely mentioned anywhere on their website.

(To further confuse issue, Blitzkrieg Miniatures manufactures vehicles also in 1/48 and 1/72 scales.)

I spoke to Michael on this very issue. The entire range is sculpted for 1/56 with miniatures to match. His vision was a range of accurate miniatures which would match perfectly with the vehicles (he just couldn't see some of the more heroic models squeezing into hatches etc).

The Perry site lists the scale of the Blitzkrieg vehicles in at least some of the earlier descriptions of each vehicle. Actualy to be very pedantic some say:

"Blitzkrieg Miniatures are producing resin tanks to fit in with the 1/56th scale of our miniatures and the North African campaign."

So there you are – the Perrys say their own WW2 figures are 1/56.

[Edit: beaten to it by Gecoren!]

(Whilst at the other end of the scale Empress's modern Brits are a near pefect match for Airfix's 1/48 Herrick infantry. God knows what scale the pennies I base my Perry and Empress figs on are – I suspect the scale equivalent of standing on a breeze block…)

I stand corrected regarding Perrys' statement about the scale of their WWII range (though it is maybe not given in the most obvious location).

@nazrat

"Apparently this is a dead issue because "it was all decided in a TMP Poll" so take that for what it's worth."

Nice misquote there. Keep up the good work.

What you wrote was:

They are 28mm, and people use that because most non-pedant wargamers know what approximate size that would be. There was even a poll here on TMP where the majority agreed that 28mm is a scale.

My interpretation of your comment was that if you're uptight about 28mm being a scale, you're a pedant, because the issue was settled by a TMP poll.

You tell me if I got that wrong :-)

Cheers

w.

You did.

I give up then – you win. Merry Christmas!

w.

For vehicles to go with 28mm figures, I want to know the scale. There are a variety of different scales of vehicles that gamers choose from to meet their personal preference. Most of the gamers I know then prefer to stick with one scale of vehicle once they have decided a preference.

A "28mm scale vehicle" is not particularly informative.