"Soviet Dog Mine Anti-tank Teams for Bolt Action" Topic

Poor doggies sacrificed for the Rodina…. :-(

Didn't the dogs have a good chance of running under Soviet tanks as much as German ones? Seems like I read that. IIRC, then I wonder if BA rules will reflect a chance that they'll accidentally attack the allied vehicles.

Suicide dog bombers don't really work.

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To game the system, if they only attack vehicles (I don't know if that's the rule), then just bring an all infantry Soviet force :)

To get them to go under tanks, they fed them under tanks, unfortunately Russian tanks so many of the dogs simply ran under Russian tanks, associating them with food. Also when the Germans figured it out, they simply shot all stray dogs on sight. Nice idea on paper…..

A stupid, desperate idea, and one I'd not game.

The 20th century Red Army take on the ancient Roman "anti-pachyderm" weapon system, the *flaming pig* (and just as reliable in its terminal guidance system apparently)…

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If the dogs ran away from the tanks were they executed as traitors to the Revolution?

Didn't the dogs have a good chance of running under Soviet tanks as much as German ones? Seems like I read that. IIRC, then I wonder if BA rules will reflect a chance that they'll accidentally attack the allied vehicles.

One in six chance of the dog blowing up your own tanks for the motherland.

I'm with the Beast Rampant. I wouldn't accept these if they were given to me.

JohnG

I hope they are in FoW's Barbarosa, because I just got the Peter Pig ones.

Eh, I'd use them for pack animals, or stick some antennae on them and call them modern/scifi sensor platforms.

Then again, that stub on the back could be a mount for a mind-linked weapon…

This is the most stupid and ridiculous thing I've ever seen released for a "historical" wargame. Warlord should be ashamed of their rampant sales whoring. Just because it was used a few times in a war doesn't mean it should be used in wargaming. This is just moronic at the highest level.

I'm pretty sure Warlord aren't the only figure manufacturer who have released bomb dogs. In fact, I heard about them years ago *because* of figure releases/being mentioned in some rules.

In a hobby that features everything from SS units to African child soldiers, being offended by the release of Soviet bomb dogs just seems odd to me.

Regardless of how you feel about mine dogs being used, they WERE used and ARE historical. The fact they were only around for a short while has no bearing on whether they should be produced-- many, many companies have made the Maus tank, of which there were only two ever made and those never even saw combat. And Warlord is hardly the first to make Soviet mine dogs. Bolt Action (before Warlord), Peter Pig, Total War, Dark Age, Platoon 20, Warmodelling, and SHQ all make packs with mine dogs.

Although I would never buy or use these models in a game, I think your outrage is completely over the top and misplaced as well.

"I'm building a Soviet army, that seen some of the most horrific action of any war. I've got a penal battalion to run across minefields, plenty of conscripts who would be shot in the back by commissioners if they retreated, but I'll draw the line at bomb dogs, I find that offensive"

Can I remind all you animal lovers (I am one, I just finished some cow braised in red wine with mushrooms and nice piece of crusty french bread) that this is a game. Only a game. Unless you are Michael Vick (the old one. The new one is "reformed")I don't think anyone would find humor in watching real dogs be used in a suicide mission. I would also remind all of you that many police and military forces including our own use dogs to sniff out bombs and enter buildings to flush out armed criminals or terrorist. Oh and one more thing to remind all of you folks gripping about poor fido…
I suppose in all the wargames you've ever played not a single HUMAN BEING was ever injured.
Food for thought…
Nice figures and
Happy Halloween!

I'm an animal lover, as well, and can't begin to imagine the horror inflicted on animals by centuries of human warfare. The thousands of horses used up by the Wehrmact every week, just for starters. And though I wouldn't use mine dogs in my games---in part out of being a dog lover (not sure how my three dogs would respond to me painting one of their brethern for suicide work…), and in part because the mine dogs were hardly ever used---I don't care that Warlord and half a dozen other lines make the figures, or if other people buy them.

We've used one, I seem to recall.

(Don't remember the manufacturer… Britannia miniatures, maybe?)

Anyway, WWII skirmish, cooperative play, with the Opfor run on a reaction system.
One Soviet rifle section each, plus an 'attached element'.
Somebody's 'attached element' was an AT dog team.
I think it just ran away.

Anyone who rates this as 'the highest level' of foolish/tasteless/whatever may need to recalibrate their moron-sensors, 'cause unfortunately, there's a LOT worse than this out there.

My dog nearly fractured my ankle chasing a squirrel. I have the Peter Pig models.
'Nuff said.