|Andy Skinner ||14 Jun 2012 12:01 p.m. PST|
The page says: "Minis with Enemies is everything you want in a tabletop miniature game."
Except being able to play a game with miniatures on my tabletop.
Reading about it was confusing, because they use the words I use, but they don't mean the same thing.
|CPBelt||14 Jun 2012 12:13 p.m. PST|
Well, not everything on kickstarter is s good idea. I got nothing of use from this or their website. Confusing.
|joshuaslater ||14 Jun 2012 12:16 p.m. PST|
I'm confused too. Is it a TTG with the models where you use a laptop? Or is it all on the computer with no miniatures?
| Who asked this joker ||14 Jun 2012 12:22 p.m. PST|
Apparently it is on a computer.
From the website
Minis with Enemies brings the creativity, adventure, camaraderie and competition of tabletop miniature gaming to life on your PC, Tablet and Mobile devices! For the first time, you'll be able to experience authentic miniature gaming any time or anywhere with your closest friends and enemies around the world. link
I am turned off by the "collectible" aspect of it all.
|CmdrKiley||14 Jun 2012 1:39 p.m. PST|
So playtesting is underway, and then they'll let in the "Community Designers" to make decisions on the core rules and character attributes?
Seems a bit backasswards.
| JRacel ||14 Jun 2012 1:40 p.m. PST|
I saw it was collectible and had seen more than enough. Not my thing at all.
| Who asked this joker ||14 Jun 2012 1:46 p.m. PST|
Even after seeing the video, I am mystified. I "think" it is at least computer moderated. There is some sort of painting tool which leads me to believe that it can be played on a computer. However, with such a poor explanation of the game, I am not even remotely inclined to contribute.
| Jovian1 ||14 Jun 2012 3:11 p.m. PST|
It sounds like a scam personally. Not interested.
| Dropzonetoe ||14 Jun 2012 3:17 p.m. PST|
It seems to me that it is a computer game.
You buy Virtual blisters with a random selection. -Like magic the gathering online
You use a 3d art program to "paint" your "mini's" for the online game. – I assume like the Dawn of War unit painter program
You play the game on PC/Console/tablet.
I don't think there is a single physical miniature other than the 3d printed one they offer for backers of certain levels.
So basically it is a digital Mageknight.
I don't think it is a scam but it will be pricy.
|Number6||14 Jun 2012 7:51 p.m. PST|
The comments certainly show why most historical miniatures gamers are out to pasture and waiting to die.
This is the future, but I doubt they can raise that much money – or that it would be enough to do this "right" meaning the high-quality 3D graphics that would be required. But $300 USDK would pay for six people to work on it for a year, so maybe they can if they pick a good engine.
You'll probably see a Clix game like this in the future.
|Caesar||14 Jun 2012 8:55 p.m. PST|
LOL- if this is the future then why are you into miniature gaming instead of computer gaming?
|thecrazycaptain||14 Jun 2012 9:27 p.m. PST|
Like the explained in the video, this is very mini's based in essence. I think they have a cute idea, but they really need screen shots or examples of play. Matrix has made a lot of money doing this with boardgames, and even doing it with FOG (pretty good game to!).
I think it works well with being another factor in gaming like they mention. Nothing can ever replace why we love mini's gaming, but when we can't get together its always good to play something that is as close as possible.
|Ganesha Games ||15 Jun 2012 2:20 a.m. PST|
So it is a simulation of a game that is a simulation of battle :-D
50000 a year salary designing games? why the heck am I not in computer gaming
|Andy Skinner ||15 Jun 2012 6:09 a.m. PST|
The "this is the future" comment is kinda funny. It may be future in that it will be bigger than miniatures, in the same way that other computer games are bigger.
But it isn't the future of tabletop miniatures gaming, because it isn't using miniatures on a tabletop (as far as I can tell). That's not reactionary old fogey talk. It just isn't the same thing, in the same way that computer construction programs aren't the same thing as Legos, even if you snap virtual blocks together.
I work with computer graphics in a high-tech company. I'm not saying computer graphics are worse. I'm just confused by the identification of what they are doing with what I do with my hobby.
| Delthos ||15 Jun 2012 8:09 a.m. PST|
I think they need to clarify exactly what it is they are doing better. At first glance it looks like they are trying to do what Exilis did, which as far as I can tell they are out of business. As others have said, it looks to be just a computer game though. It stems from them using terms that just aren't appropriate for a computer game.
Clarifying it better may get them more supporters, but I think they will have a hard time reaching thier goal in either case.
|jbenton||15 Jun 2012 8:52 a.m. PST|
When I read it, it didn't seem unclear to me; they seem to be intent on designing a computer game in the style of a tabletop miniatures game. In general I'm fine with the idea, as it would be useful for people who might not have/know a lot of local gamers, or the local players don't play anything they're interested in. Though in that respect I'd prefer something similar to an upgraded Vassal; 3d engine, a collection of generic models to play with rulesets of my choice (though licensing deals with various companies would be nice), a stat bank so I could punch in the numbers for a unit and let the game automate some of the bookkeeping etc.
However, they seem to be going the pseudo-CMG route with it. I'm not even slightly interested in that. There's been at least one other game that worked similarly, starting you out with a rather poor, though free, starter set, and then encouraging you to shell out cash to pick up booster packs of new figures. Unfortunately the name escapes me right now. For that matter I never bought booster packs in Magic the Gathering: Tactics despite having a chunk of station cash that came when I bought my mostly neglected lifetime membership to DCU Online.
As it stands I like the concept of an asynchronous miniatures game I can play on PC, and the idea that it might have a "paint" feature is nice, but I've no interest in their proposed execution.
Update: PoxNora is the game I couldn't remember the name of.
| StarfuryXL5 ||15 Jun 2012 6:47 p.m. PST|
I wouldn't spend money on virtual blister packs. I want to hold my possessions in my grubby little hands. I couldn't believe Magic Online managed to sell virtual cards. Not for this hands-on guy, thank you very much. If the venture fails, what would you have for your money? When the servers shut down, your "minis" are gone.