"Codex: Chaos Daemons Released" Topic

Most useless codex ever. It looks almost as if GW is doing it's utmost best to alienate themselves from their core players.

When the dreadful Chaos Marines codex saw the light, one of the main crticims was, together with the abolishment of the Legions and veteran skills, the use of generic daemons in that force.

Now we get a book with 'nice' looking daemons but as a Chaos player you're not allowed to use them.

Know what GW? There are plenty of good rule writers frequenting TMP. Try to get in touch with some of them, or even better, leave it to them.
You're definitely out of your league.

I don't mind paying a certain amount of money for a decent product, but here the money-grabbing issue is becoming too obvious. I'm not getting anything in return except aggravation.

and one outher thing, if you play 4th ed and arnt going to get 5th it may not be a good purchase either..
when the listing says " counts as offensive and defensive grenades" i sit there and think, and what does that mean exactly? those 2 terms certainly arnt 4th ed.

I really have my doubts that the whole "entire army deep strikes all the time" thing was adequately playtested, too. It may be playable, it might (maybe) even be balanced, but is it any fun? Putting so much weight on a string of reserve and scatter rolls sounds terribly boring to me.

WillieB – the reason why the chaos legions are no longer available is because they never should have been made available to players in the first place. The legions disbanded millenia ago and all that are left are the renegades. This is according to the original story as per the Relms of Chaos books.

Wow, nothing like a new Codex release for the GW-bashers to come out of the woodwork and descend on them like a bunch of buzzards on a rotting carcass under the mid-day sun. Sadly, most of your criticisms are uninformed.

Codex: Daemons can be used in conjunction with Codex: Chaos Space Marines in the same way that you can combine Chaos Marines with the traitor Imperial Guard to form a 'Lost and the Damned' army. The generic daemons in the most recent Codex:Space Marines were only a stop-gap measure until this new Codex, because the old system of combining Chaos Marines with Daemons (and having all the myriad legions) in one book simply got too complex and unwieldy. Splitting them off makes perfect sense and simplified both, while also giving you the option of fielding a pure Daemon army without the encumberance of human (albeit Chaos augmented) bodies.

Another added bonus is that now people who have Daemonhunter armies with lots of grey knights can't complain that they don't have the perfect army to go up against.

@ChadMKL,

I'm afraid your reasoning doesn't hold much water.
GW itself said that they made a mistake by not including the legion in the codex- they are still mentioned-. Moreover they intend to bring out a new Chaos codex Legions as a separate book.

@WW2fanatic
One of is is certainly disinformed. The daemons in the new Daemons codex can definitely NOT be used in conjunction with the Chaos Marines codex.

Chaos Daemons are to be used as a standalone army.
Chaos Space Marines are still stuck with their generic daemons. I suggest you read the codex a bit more thoroughly.

Codex: Daemons can be used in conjunction with Codex: Chaos Space Marines in the same way that you can combine Chaos Marines with the traitor Imperial Guard to form a 'Lost and the Damned' army.

If you're playing Apocalypse, sure. Normal games of 4th edition 40K, not true at all. There are no "ally" rules in 40K these days. Wouldn't be surprised to see 5th edition change that in July, thhough.

I suppose I should be happy my own criticisms weren't declared uniformed, eh?

Another huge GW mistake then. How many can they still they afford?

Dunno what to do… I usually collected all new codexes even if I didn't play the army. But now? Well… 20 euros is too mucch money to sink in a Dex that probably will never use.

I used to do the same thing, but for WFB. Have nearly all 4th/5th Edition books and a few 6th Edition ones, but no more. Have had enough with regurgitated fluff and re-issuing of books with only superficial rules changes. And of the changes, I get the impression of a lack of thorough playtesting and new problems. Aside from Dogs of War, I'm content with the rules in Ogre Kingdoms.

There was nothing significantly wrong with the previous Chaos codex. The loss of the Legion specific rules in the latest codex was the last the last straw for me. When the new Chaos Codex came out I was pretty much done with 40k.
If GW is so worried about have codex's that are too complex then they should go back to the "Black" codex's at the back of the Basic rule book. They seriously need to quite dumbing down codex's to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Absolutely correct Mikefoster.

Eventually GW will learn what we truly want. Hopefully it won't be too late.

What they are doing now is simply terrible and they are losing gamers by the dozen each day.