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Mollinary30 Oct 2014 10:55 a.m. PST

I am a bit puzzled by this. Although this is not my scale, it is very definitively my period, and I have followed and loved the previous figures in this range. There are a couple of aspects here that I would comment on. First, the painted example. There are only two Austrian Dragoon Regiments in 1866, and both wear dark green uniforms with red facings. Second, a real distinguishing mark of Austrian cavalry in this period is the circular roll of straw carried for the horse. It is beautifully shown in Fritz Neumann's wonderful painting of the Windischgratz Dragoons at Trautenau, and it would be good to see it represented.

Mollinary

Royal Marine30 Oct 2014 4:37 p.m. PST

In 10mm these issues just don't arise ;-)

Personal logo DWilliams Supporting Member of TMP30 Oct 2014 5:21 p.m. PST

Outstanding sculpting work and beautifully cast! The figures look great whether painted in green or white uniforms!

carbine195930 Oct 2014 5:31 p.m. PST

Austrian Cuirassiers – YES!!

JohannesKnecht30 Oct 2014 9:11 p.m. PST

Excellent, glad to see the range expanding. I was concerned last time I looked at the page that a number of codes were no longer there and I had been concerned that the range was being run down; 2015 being the year when I inteneded to start collecting, once Waterloo and the 100 days Collection is out of the way.

NickNorthStar31 Oct 2014 2:21 a.m. PST

I really don't want to get into a debate about who knows more about the colour of Austrian Dragoon jackets, but the painter did take a lot of advice on this one.

The information out there is sketchy, and some of the internet sources are definitely wrong.

NickNorthStar31 Oct 2014 3:27 a.m. PST

Have no fears about the range disappearing. The original part of the range I've given back to Helion, though we are still selling unit deals.

Helion are going to expand the range, and we are as well, so together you should see more releases over the next year or two.

I can't speak for Helion, but as I mentioned, we have on the workbench the Austrian Cuirassiers, Prussian Hussars and Bavarian Infantry

de Ligne31 Oct 2014 6:18 a.m. PST

Generals!!!!!!!!!!!

Mollinary31 Oct 2014 12:21 p.m. PST

Nick,

I don't want to start a debate on this either, so I won't. Suffice to say my sources are not internet based, but Teuber and Ottenfeld on the Austrian Army., and the Neumann painting of the Windischgratz Dragoons at Trautenau in that town's museum. Still paint doesn't affect the lovely sculpts, and what colour people paint them is entirely up to them.
Curiously enough, though, the uniform illustrated would work pretty well for some of the Cuirassier Regiments in 1866, as they had abandoned the Cuirass by this time.

Mollinary

Mute Bystander03 Nov 2014 5:01 a.m. PST

Carrying straw rolls into combat may have been historical (not my war of Interest – yet – and may not (need to review the OP for the figure) be a size I am buying, I don't buy anything 20 mm or larger any more) but it just seems weird to a historical gamer who hasn't come across any such references before.

Is this something only the Austrians of this era did? Or did troopers leave those rolls in camp on the day of battle? Or is this the kind of detail sculptors have had no requests to sculpt on the figure?

Edit: Ah, 28 mm, too large for my armies but great looking figures based on the images.

Mollinary03 Nov 2014 6:44 a.m. PST

All good questions! Not sure when the Austrians began doing this, but it is nicely illustrated in Darko Pavlovic's excellent "The Austrian Army 1836-66(2) Cavalry" for Osprey. This includes a black and white reproduction of the Teuber and Ottenfeld Colour plate of a Dragoon with full campaign kit c 1865. As to whether it was carried into action, I suppose the answer must be, probably not in all circumstances, but equally possibly in some. The Neumann painting I referred to in my first post certainly shows them, and it is detailed enough to contain portraits of certain of the officers involved.. That said, it is a painting not a photograph, so ultimately I think it is a matter of choice.

Mollinary

Reactionary04 Nov 2014 3:32 a.m. PST

Wot abaht the Saxons?

Cheriton04 Nov 2014 2:35 p.m. PST

@Nick:

A question I wish had occurred to me of a couple of days ago.

How much of a mix can one get in horses for a typical 12-figure regiment as shown at the website? There seem to be a few (three?) distinct horse poses (ie leg positions) among the photos on the War of 1866 page.

Three horses would be a minimum for suggesting realistic variety in galloping horses; 4-plus better. I am also assuming I detect the riders and furniture being cast as one piece, horses being separate pieces?

In any event looking forward to developments in this period. thumbs up

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