| donlowry | 23 Aug 2006 5:50 p.m. PST |
I know that in the 100-Days campaign the Regiment of Orange-Nassau was also Regt. 28 of the D-B line, but would it have carried a D-B flag, or something similar to the flags of the 1st and 2nd Nassau? If D-B, what basic color? (according to Napflags link the basic color of each flag was the same as the facings of the Regt, and O-N facings were red) |
| Camcleod | 24 Aug 2006 7:30 a.m. PST |
Opinions and info differ.
Being part of the D-B army, probably D-B style flags.
That is, IF D-B units even had the type of flags shown
at Napflags. These might be post-Waterloo issues?
Also the colors are unknown for the various infantry arms.
The Line inf. may have had the orange OR white OR based on facing color flags??
OR the infantry may have used less-official flags.
The last flag shown on Napflags is apparently a pre-1815 example that may still have been used ???????? Cliff Cliff |
| donlowry | 24 Aug 2006 2:48 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the answer. Yes, even Napflags admits that the flags it shows might not have been issued in time for the 100 Days. I painted flags for my other D-B units before I saw the Napflags site and went by an old Osprey book on D-B troops that said they all carried orange flags similar to the ones on Napflags (but with a different reverse). Since no one seems to know for sure, I guess I can get away with anything that seems logical; in which case, just to be consistent, I will probably use an orange flag like my other D-Bs. (If I were starting over now, I'd probably go with the Napflag facing-color idea, just to add variety.) |
| steve1797 | 25 Aug 2006 1:45 p.m. PST |
I'm going to give my Orange-Nassau units a Nassau flag to more easily distinguish them from the other Blue tuniced mass…
As nobody seems to know exactly who had what and why then nobody can give me too hard a time about it can they…
And I recon it will look quite nice to… Just thought I'd stick my two peneth in :o) Steve P. |
| G van Uythoven | 29 Aug 2006 3:35 p.m. PST |
Officially, the Regiment Orange-Nassau No.28 had no colours in 1815. We don't know if it had un 'unofficial' flag or pennant at that time. Regards, Geert |
| steve1797 | 30 Aug 2006 5:23 a.m. PST |
Geert, My problem then is what to do with the 'Standard Bearer' figures that I got when I ordered my 'Oranien Nassau' Battalions…
If I don't use them then my Units will be a man short and if I do they will be wrong – I think I'm going to give them a flag anyway (Nassau) so that any bystanders will know who they are amongst my other Dutch Battalions… Thankyou for the clarification though ;o) CHEERS, Steve P. |
| donlowry | 30 Aug 2006 6:21 p.m. PST |
In that case, how about a flag like the Nassau regiments, but with an orange background? "Orange Nassau", get it? |
| steve1797 | 31 Aug 2006 12:13 p.m. PST |
Cheers donlowry that might just be a workable compramise… I'll gice it a go and see what kind of response I get… Steve P. |
| donlowry | 31 Aug 2006 6:46 p.m. PST |
If anyone (other than Geert) challenges your flag, refer them to some obscure but very authoritative-sounding work available only in Flemish or Frisian or some such. |
| steve1797 | 01 Sep 2006 12:18 p.m. PST |
Nice one… You've obviously staved off spotters in the past – I'll remember that trick and if they force the issue I'll refer them to this discussion group and mention your handle… Cheers (again) Steve P. |
| teper1961 | 16 May 2013 12:13 p.m. PST |
Ive been researching the regt no 28 orange-Nassau especially the flags. Started off here, but a search of the internet found this interesting article. As it comes from a Dutch museum I guess they are correct. What now does beg the question, is what colours were the fanions? (did they follow the French pattern) Link PDF link ‘After the restoration of our independence in 1813, two years later the newly formed Royal Netherlands Army obtained the first battle honours at Quatre Bras and Waterloo. But our regiments fought the battle without Colours and Standards. Some units had some Fanions at their disposal' |
| Duc de Limbourg | 17 May 2013 3:19 a.m. PST |
As stated over and over again, the Dutch army in the Waterloo period had no offical standards or Colours. This is also stated in the above mentioned article.
There are some unoffical standards known (as the yellow with bugle horn or a white one but not known is if all troops had these flags).
What known is, that also small fanions were used which could be added to muskets but these were to dress the lines (so called "richtvlaggen"). I don't know how big these are.
An example can be found here (mentioned as a 'fanion" but looks like a flag)
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| Camcleod | 17 May 2013 6:17 a.m. PST |
There are accounts of the 7th Line and 8th Militia carrying flags during the Waterloo Campaign. And maybe the 5th Militia as well.
See section 3.1 of this article: link Also the Royal Netherlands Army & Arms Museum has 'fanions' of the 27th and 36th Jagers. The fanions are 80cm square.
That of the 27th was orange, the 36th possibly white. |
| DrsRob | 21 May 2013 3:53 p.m. PST |
Actually, even the fanions were only distributed after the battle; in november 1815.
Unofficial fanions might have been used by some bataillons. Before 1810 each Dutch company had a so-called quarter flag, a kind of guidon of fanion. One artillery batallion recieved 8 of these on request in 1814. They came from store, so it is possible that they were more generally issued to and/or used by Dutch units.
The Belgian Bataillons would – if they used any – most likely have followed French practice of having a bataillon fanion and two guidons. |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
