"Hernando de Soto and the Battle of Mabila?" Topic

Has anyone ever gamed Hernando de Soto and the Battle of Mabila:

link
nps.gov/ocmu/DeSoto.htm
everything2.org/?node_id=1242016

CC

I think this is one of many possibilities for gamers who want to skirmish with fewer figures.

CC

Hi there

You may have noticed the odd comment about your posts over the few months you have been here accumulating vast thousands of posts to your credit.

Now, it may not be for me to comment as I do not give Bill money(*) but your posts on this Carribean skimish possibilities actually illustrate the point well.

You have about nine posts where one would do. The front page has three posts on particular events. You check into each of these and you find that the thrree posts under that heading are all from you and in some case you are saying the same thing.

"I think this is one of many possibilities for gamers who want to skirmish with fewer figures."

In the interests of economy what you COULD have said was

"Does anyone have any ideas for small scale pirate/naval actions during the Golden Age of piracy?"

Here are my suggestions and links to information for the curious.

1. SUGGESTION ONE
   
   
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   • LINK Two
     
   • LINK three
   
   
2. SUGGESTION TWO
   
   
   
   • LINK one
     
   • LINK Two
     
   • LINK three
   
   
3. SUGGESTION Three
   
   
   
   
   • LINK one
     
   • LINK Two
     
   • LINK three
   
   

By doing one post instead of nine then you don;t infurate people like that excitable Mongrel1 chap or myself who get a bit teed off with the huge volume of posts on the same basic topic appearing day after day.

I hope you find this suggestion helpful

(*)I should do, but so far I haven't. I will do one day I am sure, if only to see the lounge

CC,
I have to agree with hurcheon on this. While the subject matter of most of your posts are interesting, one has to wonder what you do for a living, that you have SOOO much free time.

Hey Hurcheon and Mr Nascati, also commenting on the layout and benefits of ecomonical posts begs one to wonder about free time.

Wait a miniute commenting on comments about layout does also :0) hush my mouth

CC is just enthusiastic about privateers, conquistadors and pre-historic peoples.

Hmmm, now that could be the basis of an interesting scenario.

Lowtardog

It is because I have so LITTLE free time that I don't want to waste any of it sorthing through a muliplicity of posts all sying the same thing

Hurcheon/Nick,

I sometimes see threads on very specific battles of the Italian Wars, ECW or the TYW.

I thought that, because these threads of mine were on three separate events, decades apart, with different armies (Mabila – Spanish vs Natives 1540s, Fort Caroline – Spanish vs Huguenots 1560s, and St. Augustine – English Privateers vs Spanish 1580s), that it would be best to separate them, each with their own specific background links.

Sorry if I made you enjoy TMP any less. That is definitely not my intent.

CC

[Sorry if I made you enjoy TMP any less. That is definitely not my intent.]

Don't pay attention to him. He's just jealous that he doesn't have as much time to post repetitive messages!

In reality, it probably has nothing to do with not having enough time to sort through the messages, since one or even three extra posts on TMP really cannot take all that much time. There must be some deeper psychological reason for the objection.

Post away CC! Who cares?

I care Mr Holly. He gets on my to be honest!

Frank

cc that excitable Mongrel1 chappie.

Now Now Frank or I will have to mention Rab C Nesbitt!!!!!!

Lowtardog

Why would you mention Nesbitt?

That character, is supposed to be Glaswegian. Frank is from North East Scotland as far as I am aware.

No I on the other hand am Glaswegian and I doubt you would get very far comparing Mr Fisher's character and myself

OH. LORD, HOLLY, DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH ABOUT YOUR PERCEPTIONS OF ANOTHER PERSON'S PHYSCHOLOGY?

MAYBE A BIT OF TIME SPENT EXAMINING YOUR SELF FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS WOULD PROVE ENLIGHTENING?

DAWGIE, WHO AGREES WITH THE ENLIGHTENED COMPLAINERS. . .

Why all the SCREAMING?

Baddawg:

Perhaps you need to read the post a bit more closely. You apparently overlooked the and the at the end of the sentences. Perhaps your use of all capital letters indicates problems with vision?

John

[MAYBE A BIT OF TIME SPENT EXAMINING YOUR SELF FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS WOULD PROVE ENLIGHTENING?]

Been there, done that.

Now apologize for the personal attack. It would be the honorable thing to do.

Chupacabras
I believe Baddawg's use of capitals is related to vision problems on his part. It used to, I admit, irk me when I saw all the capitalised posts on various mailing lists but as someone who has knackered eyes himslef I appreciate the problem.

Alright guys, lets stop the bickering, yes I know I jumped in. TMP is a wide and varied family, look at the war that is boiling about Urban Dead and though I am interested in Zombie wargaming I havent complained yet :0)

Lets kill it. The Nesbitt part was a joke Hurcheon from Mongrel Yahoo group pop over there its a great group to discuss 1980s wargaming and Franks minis I am one of the avid Fans of the minis and what Frank has done to promote a hugely under represented period and entice some of the best sculptors in the business, certainly not a personal attack :0)

I on the other hand am a Geordie, Dont mind or care if you likened me to Jimmy Nail , Andy Capp or Biffa Bacon as I can sing better than Jimmy Nail, Smoke more than Andy Capp and my Mam could beat up Biffas Family all by herself ;0)

Maybe some of you who are whining over the waste of TMP bandwidth could spend some time redirecting this thread to de Soto and the Battle of Mabila. Infinitly more interesting than the crap currently here IMO.

Ralph

HEY GOATSUCKER!

i simply forgot to downshift when i sent my message. that is the short version of my story. unknot your drawers, and move on with life.

HOLLY, i saw those faces, but too many times you write and use smileys to cover what i consider to be acid comments directed at other folks.

soooo, i ignored the damned smiley and responded as i felt approrpiate to the message you sent.

apologize, i think not. you have not convinced ME that you were not directing a personal attack on the others while using the "clever ploy" of a smiley face to cover it up.

by the way, please note: i do not mess with smiley faces to cover my bluntness. . .

DAWGIE

Alright then gents chill out and stop the tit or tat bickering now or I will post my 100 recipes for Spam one at a time

OK

Karl

One of several during the DeSoto expedition that would make good skirmish scenarios.

The last conflict (before they retreated down-river) with the Chickasaw on the Mississippi River is another battle that can be done.

[Alright then gents chill out and stop the tit or tat bickering now or I will post my 100 recipes for Spam one at a time]

I take it baddwag is still arguing. Well, he argues alone.

Spam recipes? That'd be cool.

Rudy-

Are there any sources for DeSoto's battles? I know that it is a general question, but there has been quite a bit of archaeological research lately on his expedition (OK, I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel…or was it the History Channel??) down in your neck of the woods, so I thought perhaps there'd be more "news" on the subject.

Cheers,

John

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CC

Woa! Thanks CC. Looks like some good sites there.

Maybe now I'll have an excuse to paint my Eureka Conquistadors.

CC,

You will have to put all these links of the Practical Soldier Yahoo group

Done.
CC

Yahoo groups do seem appreciative.

CC

For someone annoyed at the topics, he sure comes up a lot on CC's threads.
TMP link

This was a legitimate thread, with relevant information. I am sorry it turned into something else.

However, in my view, the original thread should continue to appear on the main page, albeit with appropriate edits to weed out the controversial posts. Just an opinion.

CC

…the original thread should continue to appear on the main page…

It's automatic – each topic gets 3 days on the homepage.

Interesting. This one was was there the first day (early morning Feb. 1. But it was not there yesterday or today.

CC

Glitch in the system, then.

John, Cacique may have posted this battle but I am going to comment on it anyway. He is well versed on this era.

In March 1541, the Spanish demanded 200 women fro mthe Chickasaw council of villages. The Chickasaw refused and attacked. The Chickasaw used clay pots filled with hot coals to burn the protective Spanish cabins as they attacked. The Spanish was forced to flee the area.

Earlier the Spanish had actually allied with the Chickasaw in a Winter early 1541 attack on a Chakchiuma village. The Spanish sent 30 mounted troops sup[ported by 80 foot soldiers plus the Chickasaw earparty. The village was empty. Who warned them maybe the Chickasaw themselves.

The Chcikasaw had attacked the initial Spanish effort at crossing the Mississippi (?) in late 1540.

Also in 1539 an Apalachee warparty attacked the DeSoto expedition as it crossed their terriroty.

Rudy,

Do you have a link to those sources? I would like to include it in Kingscarbine's Practical Soldier site:
link

Thanks.

CC

Thanks Rudy.

Hey PERROMALO,

That's MR. CHUPACABRAS to you!

Here is a basic site with comments on the Chickasaw and Spanish encounter.

A great series of links to many other native First nation tribal histories.

In the Crimson Book publishing effort , we have the Chickasaw-French Wars of the early 1700s as one of the proposed titles.

Left off the site. I will try again Tuesday.

Swanton covers it briefly in his 'Indians of the Southeastern United States book.

And I thin kthat Swanton covers it in more detail in his book, 'Final Report of the United States DeSoto Expedition Commision'. I will check that Tuesday also.

I have my books stored in several different reading rooms at different locations based on priority of my research at the moment. So I am not intentionally avoiding the request.

I am a hard copy type of guy. The 3 volume work titled 'The DeSoto Chornicles' is a nice collection of the works written by men on the expedition. Edited by Ckayton-Knight and Moore.

A numebr of skirmishes are commented on in the letters. Based on this, i would have to say that a number of ambushes along trails occurred. Significant locations such as river crossing and villages are commented on in length. So even though a number of actions are classified as pitched battles (meaning meeting fierce opposition), I would imagine that many of these were ambushes.

One such action mentioned as being unusual is the Sopanish assault on a tree (pole) barricade erected accross a well travelled road. This action occurred on 28 April as the Spanish were leaving Chickasaw (Chicaca) territory. But it is not clear whether the defenders were Chickasaw or another tribe. Horse were ineffective against the barricade so the Spanish dismounted and launched a two prong attack.

"I am a hard copy type of guy."

Rudy,

I am with you on that. I too love the feel of a good book as I read.

The problem is that I cannot take my library with me when I go on deployment. That's were my laptop comes in handy.

If I cannot read from print, a link will help in the meantime.

CC

Neat image:
iscra.nl/u2078.htm
CC