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Sane Max27 Jan 2006 1:09 p.m. PST

Try posting this again…..

This is not going to be as flowery as my last effort – losers never feel quite the same urge to wax lyrical over the battle.

The game was a long awaited match-up between the 2000 point Tournament winning, all conquering, frankly pain in the arse Early Imperial Romans of John Plygawko, one of the most feared Generals in the whole of West Yorkshire, and the latest version of a Pontic list being playtested for a future WAB supplement.

John's army, which I know off by heart in the same way you can shout 'Thats the man, third from the left Officer!' in the line up, was as follows.

Army standard bearer on horseback
20 Veteran Legionaries
20 Regular Legionaries
20 Regular Legionaries
2 Small bolt-shooters
15 Auxliaries with Throw' spear, light armour, shield, jav
15 Auxliaries with Throw' spear, light armour, shield, jav
10 Auxliary Cavalry
11 Auxiliary Archers
12 Auxiliary Archers

Mine was

Mithridates Eupator
Army Standard Bearer
24 Brazen Shields (heavily armoured ordinary phalanx)
24 Brazen Shields
24 Imitataion Legionaries (Like Regular Legionaries but no drilled, no stubborn, no centurion
30 Levies (we look down on Nomad Human Shields, everyone else looks down on us – we know our place) with Thrusting spears and shields. I broke my cardinal rule which is 'if you can't afford to field a decent unit and give them a Musician, standard and leader, don't bother fielding them' and only gave them a leader.

9 Scythian Horse archers – like Nomad horse but worser
10 Armenian light cavalry – probably the cheapest cavalry in the WAB world with Javelins and shield
10 Guard Cavalry with Kontos, extra heavy armour and half-barding (wedge)
15 Iberii with throwing spear, javelin and buckler
2 Scythed Chariots

We used standard club terrain techniques – we each grabbed a hill, a wood and some difficult ground, put it down and then bickered about it. We then deployed a unit at a time. frankly John may as well not have bothered – his deployemnt was so predictable I could have done it for him (we at the club were so sick of John's Romans we almost begged him to get another army. The Bastard got Vikings…. serves us right)

My deployment was far more cunning. So cunning that one of my scythed chariots was directly in front of some difficult ground, and the other behind a wood. Had I been given the opportunity I would probably have also deployed them facing backwards and upside down…. As i struggled to fit everything into my deployment zone, i started casting unpleasant glances at the big block of levy. They could clearly see the looks I gave them (hell, i am about 50 times taller than them, of course they could see me) and it did not seem to improve their morale any. They were already having a 'do the best impression of the guy first in line in the African Arena Scene in 'Gladiator'' contest, as they stared at 20 veteran legions, a large wood and a unit of auxiliaries who move like they are auditioning for starlight express.

Well, i got first turn. John had managed to get a lot closer to the wood on my left than me, and i needed to get my guard cavalry round it if I was to carry out my plan 'hold him by the nose and hit him in the ear' so i marched my guard past the outside of the accursed wood that was filling up with auxliaries hefting javelins and chuckling. A sudden stroke of genius smote me at this point 'them ferkin levies are outmatched by everyone on the battlefield – I shall use them as bait!' and advanced them INTO the auxiliary -filled wood, softly bemoaning their poor quality, lack of rank bonus, fear of enemy they do not enormously outnmumber and (my master stroke) that I had forgotten to give them a musician or standard.

John eyed me with disdain, ignored the weeping horde driven on by the whips of my captains, and lined the edge of the wood as the companions thundered past. All it needed was a TV Van driving down the side to have looked exactly like the Grand National, only worse for the Horses.

Meanwhile the rest of my army advanced to try to engage him, with the scythed chariots wiggling slowly around the Ob-Stackles I had placed in their way. The Horse archers opened fire damaging one of his bolt-shooters. That was about it.

It was his turn. With a nasty sound both bolt-shooters and the auxiliaries opened fire into the side of the Cavalry wedge. Now, I would like you to calculate how many wounds 10 Auxiliary Javelins and two bolt shooters at long range are likely to cause on a 3+ armour save unit. John's calculation came to 6, and the cream of my army, the finest Horsemen of Asia departed the battlefield in a cloud of recriminations and horse-dung.

My head dropped somewhat at this point, and I had that feeling when you KNOW you can't win.. but then John got cocky and charged my Pike with his legions. John doesn't usually – there is no percentage in charging Pike with Legions – and i beat both of them, forcing them to Fall back. I pursued into the maw of the Roman army. My flank manouver was a gonner, my scythed chariots had done their usual Dart-Board impressions already – I had to break through the centre.

In the wood John's Auxiliaries tired of their happy game of walk-round-the-levy-in-the-wood-throwing-Javelins-and-giggling. They charged them. The Levy failed their fear test, and both of us watched with interest as a formed unit was butcherd by a skirmishing one. Doesn't happen often, but then people round here don't often march formed units with no command into a wood in the face of Roman Auxilia.

My Pike were doing well, and some light appeared in the tunnel. My Imitation Legion had been playing with his Cavalry on the right. Helped by the armenians, they had managed to work onto Johns exposed other flank, and now they were able to charge a unit of legionaries fixed to the front by Pike, in the flank. It is symptomatic of my performance in this game that I started out on a +5 combat resolution and still managed to win by only 1. It was enough, the Legion broke and were destroyed. Almost the whole of John's army was within panic test range. I had a hope. Some Hope, the destroyed legion were obviously not very popular, no-one panicked and the slog went on.

I was pushing John back and bunching him up in the centre, but I had lost the other flank and there were two units of Auxilia heading for my flank at skateboard-speed. If I could do a bit better in the grinding combats in the centre I could win it, but in a Pike V Legion head-to-head its unusual for the pike to win by more than 1 or 2, while not unusual for Legion to win by 2 or 3. It so turned out. I won combat after combat, but John fell steadily back while his flanks closed in, and finally a combination of lack of time, the approach of his Auxiliaries and a bad case of ' this for a game of soldiers' led to the game's end.

Other than the Levy, I had lost the Guard Cav from Panic, the scythed Chariots from shooting, and one unit of pike had fled to avoid a flank-charge and were still running at game end. This is not much, but the game was in the bag and we both knew it. I shook John's Hand with my left and hit him in the kidneys with the other. If the plan doesn't work on the battlefield, try it down the Pub.

Pat

Pictors Studio27 Jan 2006 1:27 p.m. PST

Excellent Battle Report, Pat. It would have been better had it gone the other way (of course, go Mithridates!) but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

I hope you had a good time playing.

Sane Max27 Jan 2006 1:31 p.m. PST

Oh of course, like always I enjoyed it. There were plenty of the 'laugh out loud' moments that you seem to get a lot with WAB. I even hooted as my Guard Cavlry bolted off the table. If I didn't enjoy myself losing, WAB would be a very sad game indeed for me….

Pat

Gaijin7927 Jan 2006 1:40 p.m. PST

Great report!

malekithau27 Jan 2006 1:47 p.m. PST

Interesting report. I find some of the Pontic troop types puzzling though.

Sane Max27 Jan 2006 2:46 p.m. PST

Such as?

Pat

Thought27 Jan 2006 2:47 p.m. PST

HA! Great report! Love your editorial comments (such as your comments about your Chariots). Glad to see I'm not the only one that does stuff like that.

malekithau29 Jan 2006 3:42 p.m. PST

Levy with spears? What historical evidence do you have for this troop type?

Phalanx in the same army as mock legio? When?

Pontic nobles armed like Macedonian?

Armenian light cavalry with javelins? More likely Cappadocians and if anything should be compulsory at least in early ie 88BC armies.

Scythians "like Nomad horse but worser" ? apart from the grammar why are they worse? Do you even give them option for javelins/throwing spears or shields? Wedge?

I tried to view the complete Army list but couldn't find a link that worked. From the little you have here I'd say that the list is ahistorical at best.

Sane Max30 Jan 2006 3:50 a.m. PST

The issue with equipment in WAB is that weapons are aften designed to fulfil a role rather than an absolute type.

Levy with spear represent general purpose infantry, something like a Thureophoroi, of poor quality. They are 'Levy' in the sense that its a WAB rule that makes them very inferior to other spear-armed troops, not a representation of how they were raised. If they had 'Hand Weapons' they would be utterly useless. Spear is a mechanism that gives them a few teeth.

Phalanx in the same army as mock legio? In every battle after the peace signed with Sulla, right the way through to Pharnaces at Zela there were both in the army – not one or the other in isolation. Do you have anything that suggests otherwise?

Armenian Light Cavlry with Javelins? They are light cavalry armed with javelins, and don't get too hung up on the location they are from.. My Figures are cappadocians…. Compulsory is a unusual option in WAB. On what basis are you suggesting compulsory Javelin armed cavalry in the army? Wab takes the route of making as little as possible compulsory, instead relying on thje player to strive to produce a historical army while still fielding the army he wants.

Scythians; sorry about the Grammer, and the spolling too. They are worse because the classic AoA Nomad Horse has rules that make them very effective – in fact over effective in most players view. Most subsequent list writers that have had Nomadic Horse archers in their armies have made them worser. In fact Badder!

There are 3 Nomad Horse options in the army, representing everything from Heavily armoured Nobles in wedge to the very lightest. Javleins, throwing spears, shields, armour and even Lances are available.

Finally, can you suggest an army list that you regard as particularly historical for Mithridatic Pontus?

Pat

auctoritas25 Sep 2006 2:40 p.m. PST

I know that I am a late comer to this particular post, but I have to say that this was the easily one of the most interesting and definitely the funniest post that I have ever read on this site.

Thanks for taking the time to pen this, and your other battle reports. They make for an entertaining read and have taught me a few things as well.

Well done!!

cosmo197405 Oct 2006 5:37 a.m. PST

Great report Max – really informative – and definitely a "laugh-out-loud" instance or two in there as well :)

Sane Max20 Oct 2006 1:57 a.m. PST

Hey, thanks! (blushes) thanks! But I think there are plenty of far funnier posters on here, some of shom can get me falling off my chair with hot coffee squirting out of my nose with a single well chosen line, or 'le mot juste'

Pat

Sane Max20 Oct 2006 1:57 a.m. PST

shom = whom

The Lost Soul07 Dec 2006 8:47 a.m. PST

Hey Pat –

Almost a year since you posted, but it's new to me! great report.

Don Perrin31 Aug 2008 12:00 p.m. PST

It's August of 2008, and I found this inspiring, as I am an EIR player trying to find a good mix to field. Looked like fun! Well done on the write-up. Great stuff!

JCBJCB15 Aug 2009 12:47 p.m. PST

August of 2009, and I'm still giggling over this report and using it as inspiration to venture into WAB.

Peeler15 Aug 2009 3:06 p.m. PST

Just noticed the date on the original post! :-) A really good read, thanks.

wargame insomniac21 Aug 2009 9:57 a.m. PST

Whereabouts in West Yorkshire are you guys?

Cheers

James

wargame insomniac23 Aug 2009 12:35 p.m. PST

Hi- I was playing Dean today down at Leeds Night Owls and got a chance to talk to John. Hopefully will be able to meet up to play at Night Owls club at some point.

Cheers

James

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